On 12/2/13 6:28 AM, Jari Arkko wrote:
Community decides: I think it is important that the WG and the IETF community decides
what to do in this case. The WG is in a deadlock, and they should be able to decide - by
consensus - if they want to attempt resolving this in a particular way. Including
alternate decision mechanisms. Of course, we all may have opinions about how that
resolution should happen. I'm personally in the "coin toss" camp (but see
further below).
And I'm reluctant for us in the management to attempt to override the decision
in any way. Lets learn what the community wants to do. If you do not like the
proposal on the table, make your opinion known or propose an alternative. Also,
I've heard a couple of arguments saying that we should be worried about appeals
on this matter. I'd say we should just try to the right thing.
Jari, I think we should all be clear that "community decides" is not
carte blanche. For example, a WG can't simply decide on its own that it
will no longer take decisions on the mailing list, but that all
decisions will be taken face-to-face and simply announced on the mailing
list. That would be directly against a documented process on which we
have IETF consensus, and it would take a conscious change of that
process by the entire community to do that. If such a process were being
suggested, I think the IESG would have an obligation to step in.
In this case, the waters are much murkier (there's nothing that
specifically says we can't vote), so I think it's reasonable to let the
community take a stab at how it wants proceed. If the WG can come up
with a process that involves sticking hands up in the air or paper
ballots or whatever that still protects (to quote a certain document)
"the rights of all parties in a fair and open Internet Standards
Process", then we're doing "the right thing". But they do have to come
up with that fair and open process. I for one am willing to wait and see
if the WG and the larger IETF community can come to consensus on how to
do that.
pr
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