Re: Revision to Note Well

Speaking as me, not as AD (except insofar as some of this makes my life 
as an AD a pain).
On 2/6/14 1:35 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> I still*much*  prefer the old version.
Let's first separate what goes on the web site (and importantly, the 
registration page) from what gets put on a slide in the room. I have no 
quarrel with legalese appearing on the registration page; it's not 
particularly useful to the participants, but it's legal 
rear-end-covering, for whatever that's worth. It's really between you 
and your corporate attorney what to make of it.
But the old (currently posted) version on a slide in the room is, 
pragmatically speaking, content-free and useless to the IETF and to the 
participants. It gives no notice whatsoever that what is contained in 
the referenced documents has anything to do with intellectual property. 
And really, we know that almost nobody reads the Note Well in the room, 
and we have ample evidence (in the form of late disclosures and bogus 
disclosures) that many people don't know what it means. Unlike on the 
registration page, the point of making the statement in the room is to 
avoid late surprises for the WG in their work.
So, I really do not find the current Note Well useful on a slide in the 
room at all.
But I do see a point in having the chair say (or display) in the room, 
"Just in case you didn't actually read what is posted on the web page[1] 
that you acknowledged when you registered, please note: You've got IPR 
disclosure responsibilities if you participate in this discussion at all 
(including writing, speaking, singing or otherwise). If you or your 
employer has IPR on this stuff, get with it!"
If we're not going to have simple text available in the room, let's at 
least stop with the charade that posting the Note Well is meaningful, 
and the chairs and shepherds and the IESG will simply have to continue 
to deal with the regular stream of late disclosures.
pr

[1] "...just like you ignore every other EULA that you click through on 
the Interwebs..."
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