Hi Brian,
On 2014-03-08 16:07 Brian E Carpenter said the following:
Henrik,
I find the new archive highly inconvenient for reviewing a thread
or a chronological sequence on a given list. This can be done
at glance with the old archives with one line per message. With
the new one, it's matter of figuring what filter to set up. I have
found it *much* harder to find a particular thread than with the
old archive.
Ok. I thought we'd provided for this, but if what we've done isn't good
enough, we may need to do something more about it.
The intention was that the 'Group by Thread' button above the list of
messages, to the left of the search field, should provide a thread view.
However, I find that for the main IETF list, getting a thread-sorted
view is unbearably slow, while it works OK for the WG lists I've just
checked. Personally I find that I still miss some kind of indication
of where each thread starts, though.
Please consider providing a subject-threaded and a topic-threaded
view of a single list into the new archive. We definitely need
a view equivalent to this one for every list:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/maillist.html
That's the date/time sorted view of the old archive. If I in the new
archive (taking the long route here, to make sure that my assumptions
are explicit ) go to the main page:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org
and click on 'browse' underneath the search field, I get to the page
listing all the list archives:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/
Here I click on the list in your example, 'apps-discuss', which gives
me a (by default) date-sorted view of the apps-discuss list, where I
see a list of the latest messages for apps-discuss. I can scroll the
message list pane, to see earlier messages, and also expand the list
page to show a larger number of messages at one time. (There's a bug
which doen't fill the list pane fully if you expand the size beyond the
preloaded list entries, but this will be fixed shortly.)
I've enclosed a screen capture image to illustrate what I see at this
point.
A generalised search tool does not provide the same convenience.
Agreed; it was our intention to provide also thread-grouped views,
and the list date-ordered view I described above.
Also it would be handy to have a way to download a raw archive.
This should be available from the 'Export' dropdown in the upper right-
hand corner, in both mbox and (gzipped tar) Maildir format; if used for
an unfiltered list view it should export the list archive; if used with
a search it should export the search results.
Best regards,
Henrik
Regards
Brian
On 09/03/2014 03:44, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
Hi Björn, Dale,
On 2014-03-07 23:02 Bjoern Hoehrmann said the following:
* Dale R. Worley wrote:
I've noticed that recently messages to the Ietf mailing list have been
sprouting "Archived-At" headers. This seems to be a great
convenience. But when I attempted to use one of these links,
http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/rvA1yLD7Ds2BAxWYv3iN1ONAxJs
it turned out not to be what I expected -- it contained the message,
but none of the threading that I've learned to love in IETF mail
archives.
Right. However, updating the single-message view is on the to-do list.
Which is all rather odd, since there *is* a URL that goes to the
"real" archive, and does give access to the threading:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg86465.html
Why is that URL not put into the Archived-At header?
2 reasons:
* That URL goes to the old archives, not to the new archives
at mailarchive.ietf.org. We're aiming at phasing out the old
archives once it's been established that the new service is
solid.
* That url will break if for some reason the archive pages have to
be re-generated due to later inclusion of list messages which didn't
originally make it into the archive for one reason or another. It's
happened a few times, and the way MHonArc generates the web pages
guarantees breakage if a dropped message has to be added. This is not
the case with the current Archived-At headers, which use a hash generated
by hashing Message-ID and list acronym, and is independent of any
particular
sequence or ordering of messages in the list archive.
Though to put the shoe on the other foot, I notice that the *former*
archive will show me the full headers of the message if I want, but
the latter archive won't.
Yes. The latter (the old MHonArc archive) only includes some selected
headers in what's made available in the web page; one of many deficiencies
the new archive software aim to fix.
I assume there are some technical reasons, Henrik Levkowetz (copied)
might be able to comment.
I hope the information above helps.
Best regards,
Henrik
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