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Re: (DMARC) Why mailing lists are only sort of special

2014-04-16 18:16:54
Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:57 PM, John R Levine <johnl(_at_)taugh(_dot_)com <mailto:johnl(_at_)taugh(_dot_)com>> wrote:

    How do I distinguish the nice mailing lists at ietf.org
    <http://ietf.org> from random evil spammer domains sending spam
    with List-ID headers?

    Every proposal I've seen like this ends up tripping over the fact
    that there is no technical way to distinguish between mail from
    real mailing lists and spam that looks like it's from mailing
    lists.  Hence you need a whitelist for the real mail, at which
    point all of the mechanism beyond the key for the whitelist
    (probably a DKIM signature) is superfluous.


Let's assume for the moment that a whitelist is the only option. (Pete made a different suggestion that I haven't read fully yet, for example.) Do you envision each operator maintaining its own whitelist, or one or more public registries of them, or something else?

It may be the case that it's the only way, but if so, then someone needs to write down some how-tos on this as well. May as well begin to develop that idea.


Well... yahoo, aol, and others DO keep whitelists now - and various mechanisms for getting on them. Yahoo doesn't, however, seem to apply their whitelisting methods to their own mail that's passed through DMARC. Hmmm.....

Miles

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