RE: Sunday tutorials, newcomers, and remote participants

 the URL is https://www.ietf.org/edu/tutorials.html

Regards,

Dan




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> From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, 
> Dan
> (Dan)
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 4:55 PM
> To: John C Klensin; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> Subject: RE: Sunday tutorials, newcomers, and remote participants
>
> Some tutorials from the past (slides and video for some) are available at
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
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> I agree with John that it would be good to have the materials posted in
> advance and have them included also in the proceedings.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of John C 
> > Klensin
> > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:11 PM
> > To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> > Subject: Sunday tutorials, newcomers, and remote participants
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > As others debate things we should do about allowing people to attend
> > IETF meetings in the future, I want to note a present issue that has
> > been raised before but apparently not addressed in practice.
> >
> > We've developed a tradition of doing a number of tutorials on Sundays.
> > There are "only" four of them tomorrow, but they all seem interesting
> > and at least three, maybe all four, are relevant to newcomers --
> > whether those newcomers are local or remote and even whether they are
> > likely to be local in future meetings.
> >
> > Done well, they have the potential to be immensely helpful to people
> > not familiar with a particular topic (or the IETF in general).  Even a
> > poor job is better than nothing.  That help is even more important for
> > those who are remote because things are harder to understand when one
> > is not in the room and because we offer nothing in the way of support,
> > even to the extent of little smiley faces on badges.
> >
> > We've also been told, repeatedly, that, for those not extremely able
> > in listening to spoken English, having slides and other materials
> > available in advance is extremely helpful, even to the point of making
> > the difference between a session that is understood and one that is an
> > incomprehensible waste of time.
> >
> > And yet, as of now, the day before those sessions, there again appears
> > to be no arrangements for video or even audio or those sessions.
> > Neither the tools agenda nor the meeting materials page indicates any
> > of them as having either an outline or slides posted.  Nothing.  The
> > newcomer's introduction itself is given, with small variations, at
> > every meeting.  I know the slides from previous ones are online.  They
> > would at least provide hints, but it isn't obvious from any of the meeting
> pages where to find them.
> > So, assuming the IETF actually cares about remote attendees and
> > newcomers, perhaps even about newcomer remote attendees, why is
> > there no video or audio for those Sunday sessions?   Why does
> > there not seem to be a plan for getting those sessions online so they
> > can be viewed between meetings?  And why are slides and background
> > materials not posted?  As a final question, since the Nomcom is
> > presumably starting to make decisions this week, who is accountable
> > for the apparent lack of progress on this subject despite the fact
> > that it has been pointed out as a problem several times before?
> >
> > Grumble.
> >    john