On 01/28/2016 04:07 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
So either the open source communities needs to be able to change the
text, or it does not need to be able to change the text, or it has
created rules for itself where it needs to be permitted to change the
text even though it does not actually want to change.
The first, not changing the text, is already covered.
The second, changing the text, is not something I or the IETF community
support.
It depends on your definition of "changing the text". There's a lot of
pretty reasonable changes you can make to get the RFC text to better fit
within a new document without changing the meaning. Any of these sure
beats "paraphrasing a section of the RFC" from a compatibility point of
view.
The third would seem to be a different problem, and asking the IEtF to
change its rules for that seems a VERY strange answer.
There's certainly a bit of that as well. But keep in mind there's no
"chair of the open source community" who can change all the rules.
Cheers,
Jean-Marc
Yours,
Joel
On 1/28/16 3:59 PM, Jean-Marc Valin wrote:
On 01/28/2016 03:23 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
I think that this is a very bad idea. The point of doing the work
to create an RFC is to reach agreements on what the words should
be. Saying after that "oh, but anyone else can change these words
any way they want" just does not work for me.
The main issue here is not that people would like to change what the
RFC says. It's quite the opposite in fact. People would like to be
able to reuse parts the RFC text in other contexts (e.g. documentation
for a piece of software that relies on several RFCs). Without
additional rights, they would have to paraphrase the content of RFCs,
which would actually lead to more compatibility problems. Also, the
proposed text already includes the condition "provided that no such
derivative work shall be presented, displayed, or published in a
manner that states or implies that it is part of this RFC or any other
IETF Document". Given that, I'm not sure what the problem is.
Cheers,
Jean-Marc
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