Re: Re: MS press release hypes SenderID

John,

You and others who are listening, but haven't posted, share my frustration 
with the current situation.  Would you join me in putting together a 
proposed standard?  I'm thinking of something that will allow all methods 
to participate in an SMTP transfer, including DomainKeys.  I haven't added 
much detail yet, and one of the goals will be to avoid controversial 
details, but I do have at least a draft of the fundamental 
requirements.  See 
http://www.ece.arizona.edu/~edatools/etc/Email%20Forwarding%20Protocol.htm
Alex and other "SPF or die" advocates, your criticism is welcome, but try 
to be constructive.  If it turns into a flamefest, we'll move to another forum.
We may not get very far with this, but having a universal standard ready 
and waiting will at least keep Microsoft honest.
-- Dave

At 09:49 AM 3/4/2005 -0500, you wrote:

> David MacQuigg wrote:
>
> > The question now for me is whether to spend any more time in the other 
> > thread talking about a universal protocol that would allow the different 
> > "frameworks" to work together.  Is SenderID such a mess that it will be 
> > difficult for everyone to adapt, or will it become the defacto standard?
> Question one:
>
> How many things has Microsoft made into a defacto standard?
>
> And now they are moving as fast as any corp of that size possibly can to 
> make Sender ID the defacto standard and muscle their way into yet one more 
> area. Next, over the years, I fear they'll tweak it until it only runs on 
> Windows servers.
> Question two:
>
> What is the state of SPF?
>
> I apologize for not having the knowledge to help in the process of moving 
> SPF forward. I 'really' hate to bitch about this, but........
> I'm a hosting provider and have been on this list so I could adopt SPF and 
> add records for all my domains. This is the best way I can support SPF.
> No, I don't read every email coming through this list and over the last 
> few months really very few emails. Microsoft has already done huge damage 
> to SPF with their last minute break and patenting. SPF was left to pick up 
> the pieces and pull things back together.
> I see that progress has been made and kudos to those pursuing that end.. 
> and I mean to send out a BIG thank you!!!! However, to the general public, 
> SPF doesn't exist. The last info on the website is from November or 
> something and is pretty much nothing but about the break up of Marid and a 
> quick read there leaves one feeling SPF is dead. Meanwhile Microsoft 
> pushes forward as fast as possible. The [end user] world thinks they are 
> great for fighting spam.
> I re-iterate my statement from a couple of months ago. A website simply 
> must be created explaining in layman's terms, what is going on. I did some 
> reading on the thread of the website, about the potential bandwidth 
> problem which is very real, but gee... create the problem and then find 
> the solution.
> You can build the finest car in the world... better than anything that has 
> ever existed by leaps and bounds... something that will be better than 
> anything for decades to come... If you never put this car in a showroom, 
> but keep it hidden away in some obscure engineers discussion list.. it 
> will never be sold.
> Again, I do apologize for ragging on about this. I know SPF is making its 
> way, but I know what little I do only because I am on this list. I do not 
> however 'know' well enough that it is going to make it and in what "end 
> format", to put in the effort to add records to 500 or so domains. That's 
> a LOT of work with too much unknown.
> At this point, I fear Microsoft will yet again take over what is a very 
> important area of the internet and I would really hate for that to happen. 
> I look at them as 'settlers'. The best smart people go out and are the 
> 'explorers', find great new things. And then the pristine country is all 
> mucked up with the 'settlers' coming in. Yes, it should have been called 
> M$ Internet $ettler. "$ettler ID Framework" could very easily be the next 
> frontier which gets all screwed up. It is already encumbered. Microsoft is 
> 100% about making money and I fear will find a way to make money off of 
> Sender ID. Remember Bill was the one who thought email postage was a best 
> solution. Who would get that money?
> Please try to do more to promote SPF. Please... a website. Please, 
> something that lets the general public know that SPF was just sleeping in 
> the coffin over at pobox, but is alive and well, before it never wakes up 
> again.
> Respectfully Submitted,
> John Hinton
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