Re: [spf-discuss] Tracking userids --was: SPF, DKIM, and NIH
2009-10-23 11:39:46
Ian Eiloart wrote:
I think it's reasonable to assume that a domain operator won't permit
one user to spoof another user's sender address. If that's untrue, then
the domain's users and managers will need to sort out any negative
consequences.
The point is how well it's possible to either corroborate or dispute such
an assumption based on statistical evidence. That assumption is not
reasonable in general, a policy statement and some other knowledge about
the domain are needed.
The assumption may not be true in general, but it would be better if it
were. Domains should be encouraged to prevent such spoofing, and I think
that the assumption is reasonable in the following sense:
Of course you have to take into account that spammers can (and do)
create their own domains.
a) Where businesses, like ours, permit intra-domain spoofing, they
should take care that it's not used to send unwanted mail; in order that
one user cannot harm the reputation of another. For example, we know
that our webmail service gets abused, so we apply rate limits, and don't
permit spoofing by our webmail users. The rate limits reduce the harm
done when an account is compromised, and the anti-spoofing policy
ensures that any email address based reports or sanctions are applied to
the correct account.
I think you also don't allow a user to have multiple email addresses,
what wikipedia calls "sock puppetry". Aliases and role addresses may
be allowed by a domain's policy. The right to send messages
anonymously --pseudonymously, really-- must be respected, and
advertising a user's login name in the header brings its own tranche
of risks. Explicitly knowing a domain's policy eases the task of
checking whether it is actually enforced.
b) Where email service providers like gmail can't establish a
relationship between two domain users, they simply should not permit the
spoofing. They may wish to establish an infrastructure whereby users can
express trust relationships - their domain hosting service might be
regarded as having that property.
You mean sites.google.com? I don't quite agree: A puppet master may
accumulate several subscriptions, and register different sites with
different identities. Anonymous subscriptions don't allow much trust
to be established.
c) Generally: where intra-domain spoofing is permitted, it must be
regarded as entirely at the risk of the domain and its users. If one
user harms the reputation of another, that should be regarded as an
internal affair, to be sorted out between the users and the domain
owner. It's not the business of any third party to try to guess how the
domain handles intra-domain spoofing.
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