Re: [xsl] What is a better word for "de-duplication"?

On 8/29/06, Colin Adams <colinpauladams(_at_)hotmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
> Why not "unique nodes"?
Because this does not convey the meaning that they were *made* unique.
Unique nodes may have been unique all the time without any action to
extract them from a larger set.



> >From: "Dimitre Novatchev" <dnovatchev(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
> >Reply-To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
> >To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
> >Subject: Re: [xsl] What is a better word for "de-duplication"?
> >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:43:24 -0700
> >
> >Certainly "duplicate elimination" is precise and clear and of course I
> >knew about this phrase and still asked my initial question. Why?
> >
> >Because I was looking for a single word to describe the set of nodes
> >resulting from duplicate elimination.
> >
> >While I can say
> >
> >     "factorised nodes"
> >
> >it is quite awkward to say:
> >
> >   "duplicate-eliminated" nodes.
> >
> >and
> >
> >  "nodes with eliminated duplicates"
> >
> >is a long, 4-word phrase.
> >
> >
> >
> >This explains why "factorised nodes" best serves my needs.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Cheers,
> >Dimitre Novatchev
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> >On 8/28/06, Jim Melton <jim(_dot_)melton(_at_)acm(_dot_)org> wrote:
> >>I think that my serious suggestion a couple of days ago got lost
> >>because of my joke.  The joke was "uniquify".  The serious suggestion
> >>was "duplicate elimination".  That is very clear, not ambiguous, easy
> >>to say, and doesn't depend on any vocabulary that requires further
> >>explanation.
> >>
> >>I doubt that as much as 5% of the users of XQuery, SQL, and even XSLT
> >>will be able to figure out what "node factorisation" means -- heck,
> >>even I'm uncertain why you think that the term is sufficiently
> >>meaningful to seriously suggest it.
> >>
> >>Hope this helps,
> >>    Jim
> >>
> >>At 8/28/2006 03:45 PM, Dimitre Novatchev wrote:
> >> >Hi Wendell,
> >> >
> >> >>Honestly, if it were me (assuming I even decided to fight that
> >> >>battle) I would also always say "commonly called 'deduplication'", or
> >> >>something similar, to signal most readers that I was, in fact, just
> >> >>using a specialized term to describe something they already know about.
> >> >
> >> >That's very good advice.
> >> >
> >> >So, let's from now on refer to it as:
> >> >
> >> >        node factorisation aka de-duplication.
> >> >
> >> >After repeating this sufficient number of times people will start to
> >> >use the obviously better word, then the "aka" part will naturally wean
> >> >out. Then hopefully people who write books will use the better phrase
> >> >in their next book.
> >> >
> >> >Apologies to Tommie and thanks for her patience. I realize we are on
> >> >the edge of what is on-topic and, as it appears everybody who wanted
> >> >to have their say did so, I would appeal to close this thread unless
> >> >someone finds a strikingly more appropriate phrase.
> >> >
> >> >Personally, I find the benefit of such terminological discussions not
> >> >only in the final result but also in the fact that they make us think
> >> >what is the essence of the thing being named.
> >> >
> >> >As such, the purpose of my asking this question has been fulfilled.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Cheers,
> >> >Dimitre Novatchev
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> >> >Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence.
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 8/28/06, Wendell Piez <wapiez(_at_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com> wrote:
> >> >>Hey Dimitre,
> >> >>
> >> >>At 01:57 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
> >> >> >>Not bad -- for the advanced student, again.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>"Identification" or "unique identification" might be better for
> >>beginners.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Then I think
> >> >> >
> >> >> >    "id-factorisation"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >or just
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   "factorisation"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >(because we know what kind of factorisation takes place) is better
> >> >> >than de-duplication.
> >> >>
> >> >>Except for the part about having to explain it to everyone.... :-)
> >> >>
> >> >>Honestly, if it were me (assuming I even decided to fight that
> >> >>battle) I would also always say "commonly called 'deduplication'", or
> >> >>something similar, to signal most readers that I was, in fact, just
> >> >>using a specialized term to describe something they already know about.
> >> >>
> >> >>Cheers,
> >> >>Wendell
> >> >>
> >> >>
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