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Re: [Asrg] Re: "HashStamp" == hashcash? (Re: Stamping)

2003-03-22 19:11:29
At 04:43 PM 3/22/2003 -0700, Vernon Schryver wrote:
> From: Scott A Crosby <scrosby(_at_)cs(_dot_)rice(_dot_)edu>
> Thus, I think we'd need on the order of *AT LEAST* 10 ghz*minutes of
> hashcash to make spamming unaffordable, and perhaps 100 ghz minutes 5
> years down the line. IMO, would 10 ghz*minutes of CPU to mint just one
> stamp makes it impractical to expect a mail gateway to mint hashcash
> style stamps?
> ...

What is the minimumm speed CPU that you will allow to send mail?  A
25 MHz 486 is at least 200 and perhaps 500 or 1000 times slower than
a 3 GHz P4.  A 25 MHz 486 needs several minutes to generate 60
GHz*seconds of hashcash.  You might fix the problem for mailing lists
by somehow letting one coin work on many copies with some kind of
authentication (from crypto to envelope Mail_From) and authorization
from whitelisting on.  It is unrealistic to hope that users would
stand for a mail protocol that limits them 1 one mail message afer
several minutes of hard computing.  It is insane to expect ISPs to
force their customers to get new computers or tolerate such delays.

You're still, I think foolishly, focused on an ISP-oriented solution. Sender-pays makes them most sense when the client SW is capable, if not singularly empowered, to enforce the payment mechanism at the receiving point.


There are reasons why after at least 6 months the hashcash proposals
are still only ideas.

The reason is mostly that there are lots of arm chair generals but fewer competent programmers.

steve

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