At 10:14 PM -0600 3/27/03, wayne wrote:
In <p06000d07baa9567f9e7a(_at_)[192(_dot_)168(_dot_)1(_dot_)104]> Kee Hinckley
<nazgul(_at_)somewhere(_dot_)com> writes:
We are now getting RBLs who will remove your host from their blacklist
for a fee. (See http://www.blars.org/errors/block.html for an
example.)
If by "now", you mean within the last year or so, then ok. The
last modification time on that web page was about a year ago.
First I've heard of it. So for me it was "now". Your point?
And if by "blackmail" you mean charging money for services rendered
rather than the traditional dictionary definition of "blackmail", then
I guess that is ok also.
I think that advertising a RBL, getting people to use it, adding
innocent ISPs to it, and then charging them to get off is pretty
close to blackmail.
> And yes, people actually subscribe to these.
So what? Can't people do what they want with their own machines?
Certainly. I was simply trying to point out that there are serious
problems with some of the RBLs. Your point?
> And yes, they do block
non-spamming ISPs.
So what?
Oh, nothing. I thought we were trying to solve problems on this
list. Sorry, must have been a wrong number.
If you send email to someone and it is block because they use Blars
DNSBL, you have three choices:
1) Don't bother sending that person (or ISP) email anymore.
Thank God the phone system doesn't work that way.
2) Try to convince the person (or ISP) you sent email to that they
shouldn't be using that DNSBL, but understand that they are under
no obligation to change.
I'm sure my father would figure that one out on his own.
3) Try to convince Blars DNSBL to remove you. In this particular
case, you will have to put down a sizable deposit and if Blars
decides that you were correctly listed, you will probably end up
paying that deposit to him.
You're assuming that "I" am someone who runs their own mail server.
Please get real here.
Your father (or grandfather, as the case may be) gets an email bounce
with some nonsensical garbage in it about being blocked. He
complaints to his ISP. His ISP tries to solve the problem and
discovers that it's going to cost them several thousand dollars to
fix the problem.
Now tell me which part of this system is working well?
Personally, I doubt that many clueful person (or ISP) use Blars DNSBL
to block email and I would almost certainly choose option 1.
In this case, the RBL is used by another RBL. Osirusoft. Do you
suppose that people who subscribe to Osirusoft's RBL are aware that
they are aiding this kind of thing?
--
Kee Hinckley
http://www.puremessaging.com/ Junk-Free Email Filtering
http://commons.somewhere.com/buzz/ Writings on Technology and Society
I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept
responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate
everyone else's.
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