From: Kee Hinckley <nazgul(_at_)somewhere(_dot_)com>
Almost the only informed people who say that the current tools are
inaccurate in blocking too much or prone to being arbitrary are senders
of unsolicited bulk email. Most of the exceptions are people who have
Oh come on. Show me one single blacklist that has had false
positives on a regular basis. Spamhaus is good, but I've yet to find
a perfect one--not even MAPS.
I didn't intend to say that anything is perfect, but to point out that
the users of the SBL, RBL+, and even the kookiest blacklist (there
are plenty) are not the people who complain that the current tools
are inaccurate or as Ms. Olson insisted, "prone to being arbitrary."
Instead, almost all of those who make those complaints are people like
Ms. Olson who do not like having their messages blocked.
...
identifying tokens. Those tokens are the IP addresses of their SMTP
clients or sending machines. Those tokens and your domain names are
what we use to decide to reject or accept your spam for our own mailboxes
and the mailboxes of our clients.
Those tokens do not tell you the complaint level against the vendor
or the particular list.
Rejecting spam is a boolean choice. You will either filter a message
and so never see it or you will see it. Boolean choices are only
complicated by analog inputs. I have never ending problems with people
not understanding how to set the "bulk" threshold in DCC clients.
...
we already have mechanisms to rate the performance of bulk mail senders
including the ESPC members. That's why and how you are blacklisted.
It looks to me like they are aiming for finer grained control.
No, they are aiming to get more of their mail delivered. I agree with
you that they are probably hoping to do that by segregating their mail.
Topica (I think it was Topica) has already tried that with their gold,
silver and bronze sending domains. Topica also tried that with their
use of the Habeas mark. Until they finally understand that sending
to a target list with a single "gift subscription" or "courtesy copy"
is spam, all of their grains will fall in the block-on-sight category.
Is that good or bad? I'm not sure. But why don't we withhold
judgement until we have details.
What odds and stakes would you like to bet on whether Barry Shein is right?
Vernon Schryver vjs(_at_)rhyolite(_dot_)com
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