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RE: [Asrg] 0. General - Administrative - for M. Wild

2003-08-30 00:06:40
Perhaps I'm being slow this Friday afternoon, but can you elaborate on
why you feel both rDNS and another DNS id is necessarily required to
deter Trojans? The reasoning you are using isn't clear to me.

Thanks much.

        Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven F Siirila [mailto:sfs(_at_)tc(_dot_)umn(_dot_)edu] 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:22 PM
To: Bob Atkinson
Cc: Hector Santos; Anti-Spam
Subject: Re: [Asrg] 0. General - Administrative - for M. Wild

Until we require both rDNS -AND- add another DNS identifier declaring
the
sending MTA as an MTA, we will continue to see trojan software
masquerading
as MTAs.  While it may be a slow, painful process, I don't see any good
alternatives (at least not in our environment).  We continue to employ
rDNS checking, adding more networks to the mix all the time.  The key to
implementing rDNS for us has been:

 1) It is not done for all IP addresses, but rather on a per-netblock
basis
    (with the count of addresses having this requirement increasing each
day)

 2) Users can opt-out of this requirement (the blocking occurs after
    RCPT TO processing)

 3) Even with the blocking in place, we return a URL to the sender to
    allow them to request a block exception from our user who can then
    either grant, deny, or ignore the request


On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:38:15AM -0700, Bob Atkinson wrote:
There's a much simpler reason why rDNS is unreliable.

In order for rDNS to work, the domain owner must have a DNS
relationship
with their ISP (as opposed to hosting DNS themselves). There are many,
particularly the small folk, who do not, esp. as it costs ongoing $ to
maintain such a relationship. 

Having such a relationship is not today pragmatically necessary to
participate in the Internet, and we ought to think carefully before
giving ISPs such a win-fall and shift in power. 

      Bob



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