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Re: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - RMX I Never send mail

2003-09-25 10:07:40
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:

[Omitted having ISPs putting policy tags in their rDNS TXT entries]

        This might be interpreted as breaking the end to end religion, but
people are already doing that of their own accord. I would rather have ISPs
open port 25 outgoing and label the connection honestly as residential than
have then block the port entirely to stop attacks from anti-spam vigilantes.

Problem is that this solves _none_ of the things you want it to.

1) What's to prevent the DDOS attackers from DDOS'ing the DNS servers serving up the ranges they're spamming from? I sense yet another business opportunity for the DDOSers - "pay us to blow the brains out of your ISP's DNS servers!"

2) This treats only one current aspect of the spamming issue. We don't want to block residential IPs per se, we want to block spam[+]. Might as well have ISPs TXT-label their appropriate blocks as "SPAM SOURCES".

3) How are you going to get the ISPs to provide "OPEN PROXY" TXTs? Have them scan their own IP ranges? If they're doing that, they should shut 'em _off_ instead [+]

4) How does "labeling" a block as residential (or even dynamic) "stop attacks from anti-spam vigilantes"? If I know enough to attack an ISP for spams from "residential and/or dynamic", I'm _already_ blocking the damn things, and I'm complaining about the insistent and repeat spam attacks continuing to chew up our resources. While it may seem otherwise, most spam blocking mechanism "block first" and _only_ and don't bother complaining.

[+] "residential blocking" only solves a small part of the _existing_ spam problem. Indeed, the traditional DHCP DNSBLs only block around 3% of _all_ spam. Easynet's "residential blocking" (DYNABLOCK) only gets it up to 10%, with a MUCH higher level of FPs. In constrast, some of the well-targetted single-IP DNSBLs (CBL, the defunct UPL, SORBS proxy/http etc) are achieving success rates nearing and some cases greatly exceeding 50%, with much lower FPs. There's no way in heck that ISPs can replace that functionality. Even if they wanted to.




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