0. General - Technical Solutions (was Re: [Asrg] Technical solutions wil

Jed Margolin wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curtis M. Kularski" <asrg(_at_)curtis(_dot_)kularski(_dot_)us>
> To: <jmsml(_at_)jmargolin(_dot_)com>
> Cc: <Asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Asrg] Technical solutions will not be sufficient
>
>
>
> > You state that the guilty party is a member of this list, this cannot be
> > assumed. A web-based archive exists.
> >
> >
> > Curtis
>
>
> I did not state that the guilty party is a member of this list. I am well
> aware that the archive is publicly available.
>
> The point of my missive was that when a company like Network Solutions takes
> the position that they do not care if their customers are spammers and,
> instead,  advises me, " If the domain owner in question is conducting
> criminal activity we would ask you to defer to either the police or the
> proper authorities," then technical solutions will not be sufficient and it
> will be necessary to have laws in order to take action against spammers and
> the companies that are spammer-friendly.
ICANN's policies do not forbid spamming for domain owners. Thus, 
registries cannot be relied upon to policy domain owners.
> > Please also be aware of guidelines in this group, the number of the area
> > this relates to should be in the subject line.
>
> Sorry, I must have missed the memo.
>
> What is the number for this topic area? (Your reply didn't have an area
> number, either.)
"0. General".

> JM
> =================================
>
> > > Hello, Group.
> > >
> > > It has recently been demonstrated to me that dealing with spam will
> > > require legal solutions along with technical solutions.
> > >
> > > I received an email to the address I use only for this mailing list. I
> > > do not have a prior relationship with the company that sent me the email
> > > (or on whose behalf it was sent).
> > >
> > > In the following process, I had failed to notice that the spam I
> > > received was from ecardica.com, not ecardia.net .  :-(
> > >
> > > However, I believe the results are, nonetheless, instructive to the
> > > member of this mailing list.
> > >
> > >
> > > I looked up the domain listed in the email (remember, I thought it was
> > > ecardia.com) and found the following:
> > > ============================
> > > Registrant:
> > > HERSKOWITZ, AHVIE (ECARDIA-DOM)
> > >   2058- 12th Avenue
> > >   SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94116
> > >   US
> > >
> > >   Domain Name: ECARDIA.NET
> > >
> > >   Administrative Contact:
> > >      HERSKOWITZ, AHVIE  (AH9902)  aherskowitz(_at_)oneworldhealth(_dot_)org
> > >      2058- 12th Avenue
> > >      SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94116
> > >      US
> > >      415 759 8150 fax: 415 759 8164
> > >
> > >   Technical Contact:
> > >      Network Solutions, Inc.  (HOST-ORG)
> > > customerservice(_at_)networksolutions(_dot_)com
> > >      21355 Ridgetop Circle
> > >      Dulles, VA 20166
> > >      US
> > >      1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620
> > >
> > >   Record expires on 22-Jun-2004.
> > >   Record created on 23-Jun-1999.
> > >
> > >   Database last updated on 6-Oct-2003 16:24:19 EDT.
> > >
> > >   Domain servers in listed order:
> > >
> > >   NS8.WORLDNIC.COM             216.168.225.138
> > >   NS7.WORLDNIC.COM             216.168.225.137
> > > =============================
> > > (Again, ecardia.net was not the spammer. It was ecardica.com .)
> > >
> > > Since ecardia.com lists Network Solutions as the technical contact, and
> > > Network Solutions is such a fine, upstanding organization, I thought I
> > > would complain to them.
> > >
> > > So I sent the following email to: 
> > > customerservice(_at_)networksolutions(_dot_)com
> > > ---
> > > Subject: spam
> > >
> > > Your customer sent me spam and then claims,
> > >
> > > " We hate S'pam too! That is why eCardica.com follows and enforces very
> > > strict No S'pam and Privacy Policies. We only send to users who have
> > > agreed to receive messages about our services, our partner's services,
> > > or both."
> > >
> > > They sent this spam to an email address that I only use for the ASRG
> > > spam mailing list.
> > >
> > > Please cancel their account unless you want to be labeled as being
> > > spammer-friendly.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > JM
> > > ==================================================
> > >
> > > This is the reply I received from Marvin003, Network Solutions' best
> > > (and probably most honest) representative:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear JM,
> > >
> > > Thank you for contacting Network Solutions.
> > >
> > > If the domain owner in question is conducting criminal activity we would
> > > ask you to defer to either the police or the proper authorities.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Marvin003
> > > Network Solutions, Inc.
> > > http://www.networksolutions.com
> > >
> > > ============================
> > >
> > > Although I directed my complaint to the wrong party, the reply from
> > > Network Solutions says that they are part of the problem.
> > >
> > > And since they are *not* part of the solution their continued use of the
> > > name "Network Solutions" is misleading, if not fraudulent.
> > >
> > > There are laws about that.
> > >
> > >
> > > JM
> > >
> > >
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