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Re: [Asrg] 3. Requirements - Proposed Changes for Document

2003-11-17 18:19:22
Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
On Monday 17 November 2003 18:58, Denny Figuerres wrote:

FWIW:  I think trying to "define spam" is a bit of a futile exersize as it
is based on context.


And, indeed, that is one of the reasons I feel it is important to define it! Part of the problem is that there are, and will be, "punitive" measures taken against spammers. Anyone can take some random message and claim it is spam then point an accusing finger at the sender. Conflict ensues.

In fact, detractors of many blacklists point to this as a major problem, and I would tend to agree.


A message is SPAM when the recipients have no interest in reciving the
message
and have not requested or authorized the sender to transmit such messages
to them.

Keys:
A) did not ask for it.
B) do not want it.
C) has no "Value" to recipients.
D) sender generaly not known to recipients.


I'm trying to define spam in a way that /specifically/ excludes the recipient's opinion about a particular message. A) and D) I think most everyone can agree on as minimal criterion for most sorts of spam, but B) and C) are strictly subjective, and thus subject for abuse.

For instance, if I have a web site about show dog breeding and someone mails me poodle breeding hints, the sender was justified in thinking I might not see it spam regardless of whether I think poodles are horrible little monsters or not. Arguably the same for a dog breeding supplies advertisement.

That justification would doubtless vanish if it's penile enlagement herbal supplements. So we're not talking about independence from contents, but about how I was chosen as a recipient.

In fact, if my address had been chosen (on purpose) from a website where I decry my despair at being unable to purchase all-natural herbal alternatives to viagra, the sender *would* be justified in sending me what we would all normally agree is spam on that topic.


-----Original Message-----


Please Oh Please Oh Please don't top-post!

-- Marc A. Pelletier


Historically all discussions on the definition of spam in the group have not come to a fruitful conclusion. According to the technical considerations document, the term "unsolicited bulk email" is used as a working definition. See the following:
        
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-crocker-spam-techconsider-02.txt
http://www.opengroup.org/messaging/public/oct-2003/spam/shafranovich.pdf (sections 2.1-2.3)

Yakov



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