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Re: [Asrg] 6. Proposals: MTA MARK vs port 25 filtering?

2003-12-13 10:22:40
"Mark" <asarian(_at_)xs4all(_dot_)nl> wrote:
Basically, these odd proposals to block port 25, for home users, is
tantamount to saying only ISP's can run servers.

  I disagree.  No one has ever talked about blocking port 25 for *all*
users.  Port 25 blocking is only for users who have not agreed to be
held responsible for the messages they send.

  And if your ISP still blocks outbound 25, then there's a business
incentive for someone to start up authenticated, responsible, and
stable relays.

So then, what happened to the core function of an ISP? To provide
access to the Internet? I pay good money each month to have that
access, which includes my own mail server.

  How does anyone else know?  I've been harping on this topic for a
long time, and it keeps getting ignored.

In return, my ISP can disallow access should abuse occur. But I can
live with that, as I know I will not abuse my connection. I wish I
could say the same about my ISP.

  How do *I* tell your "responsible" MTA from an "owned" machine
sending spam?  I understand your side of the problem: you want to send
mail.  Please *think*, and try to understand my side of the problem:
Without some additional information, you look *exactly* like a spammer
to me.

  What information are you willing to provide to a recipient, to
demonstrate that you are responsible?  What information will make the
recipient believe you are responsible?

  I don't understand this fervent opposition to change, and to any
attempt to hold people responsible.  If the first axiom of ASRG is
that we're not going to change anything, and we're going to provide
free, unfettered, bare-ass-open access to the net; then we've just
decided to NOT address the spam problem.

  Alan DeKok.

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