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Re: [Asrg] UCEPROTECT's comment on draft-irtf-asrg-bcp-blacklists-07

2011-02-27 11:15:08

On Feb 27, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Joe Sniderman wrote:

Charging to remove a negative reputation is also more or less equiv to
charging to add a positive reputation (such as a commercial whitelist or
vouching service).  Both have merits, both sometimes smell bad or leave
a bad taste, both are sometimes *incorrectly* termed as "extortion" or
similar.  -1 * -1 == +1 * +1  its the identical adjustment, merely
expressed differently.

No. Not even a little.

One difference is that in the case of charging to remove a negative
reputation, you have a business incentive to add negative listings
for reasons that are dubious or even entirely false. Look at those
blacklists that charge for removal, and look at the quality of the data.

Another difference is that paying for a positive listing gives you that
positive listing for a well-defined period of time, unless you do something
pretty egregious. Paying for removal of a negative listing doesn't
mean that you won't be relisted a couple of days later (just the opposite,
in some cases - if you pay off $BLACKLIST once they're clear that you're
likely to pay them off again, so repeated relistings can be profitable).

There are many other differences between the two, both philosophical
and operational.

Cheers,
  Steve

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