On Friday 07 December 2007 12:38, Steve Atkins wrote:
On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
On Friday 07 December 2007 12:00, John Levine wrote:
If you believe that any random MTA has an equal right to emit mail
claiming to be from my domain, then I think there's little left to
discuss.
Twisting other people's arguments to make them sound absurd is not
helpful.
For example, since you want to forbid all third parties from sending
mail, please explain why you want to forbid newspaper mail-to-a-
friend
services. Why are you opposed to press freedom?
Nothing says they have to use my domain name to do it. It's
completely
orthogonal to the point.
PS: The non-absurd version of this is, where did we conclude that the
DNS operator's rights to a domain name always trump every other
possible use?
I disagree. What I stated is the logical conclusion from the
statement.
Either domain owners have the right to control the use of their
domain names
in email or they don't.
If they do, then Mike's point stands.
If they don't, then phishing is inherently OK. There really is no
middle
ground.
Fallacy of the excluded middle.
Just because it's OK for people to use some variant on a webmail
interface to send mail "from" their email address does not make it
OK to criminally steal passwords or credit card details.
Phishing is about misrepresenting identity. Either you believe domain owners
should be allow to control the use of identity or you don't. There is no
middle ground. This has nothing to do with content of the message.
Your 'middle ground' doesn't exist.
Your can't prevent random people from using domain names in email without
preventing random people from using domain names in email. It's really that
simple.
Scott K
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