----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Lilly" <blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com>
To: <ietf-smtp(_at_)imc(_dot_)org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Site policy vs. HELO
On Wed March 9 2005 08:14, Hector Santos wrote:
Bruce could of easily reported back in Oct 2004, "Yo hector, my mail is
being rejected."
No, because you would have rejected that mail as well.
No, you would of done it publically like you eventually did, but only this
time in a silly vain attempt to prove "something" whatever that was.
The fact is he knew this. He knew he was being blocked via WCSMTP
because
at the same date Oct 27, he tried out the TESTWCSAP directly and saw
that he
passed the test.
Bull. What my ISP might or might not have done is outside
of my control or knowledge base.
Sorry, it was all you. See the logs below:
Your inability to receive mail is your problem, not mine,
and I'm not going to jump through hoops to attempt to
notify you that you have a problem.
"Wheeeeeee, here we go!"
Bruce, You were twitted!!! PERIOD! You proved nothing! You were black
listed, plain and simple and as much that might pain you, you also knew you
were black listed. This report of yours is just a red-herring. You know it.
Here is the Oct 21, 2004 logs.
Here is the SMTP level rejection:
**************************************************************************
Wildcat! SMTP Server v6.0.451.2
SMTP log started at Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:35:34
Connection Time: 20041021 11:35:34 cid: 00024941
SSL Enabled: NO
Client IP: 207.172.4.61 (unknown)
11:35:34 S: 220-winserver.com Wildcat! ESMTP Server v6.0.451.2 ready
...
11:35:34 C: EHLO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net
11:35:34 S: 250-winserver.com, Pleased to meet you.
11:35:34 S: 250-SIZE 5120000
11:35:34 S: 250-ETRN
11:35:34 S: 250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN PLAIN-MD5 SHA-1
11:35:34 S: 250-AUTH=LOGIN
11:35:34 S: 250 HELP
11:35:34 C: MAIL FROM:<blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com> SIZE=7732
11:35:34 S: 250 <blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com>... Sender validation pending.
Continue.
11:35:34 C: RCPT TO:<winserver(_dot_)support(_at_)winserver(_dot_)com>
11:35:34 S: 550 Return Path not verifiable.
11:35:34 C: QUIT
11:35:34 S: 221 closing connection
**************************************************************************
Wildcat! SMTP Server v6.0.451.2
SMTP log started at Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:35:34
Connection Time: 20041021 11:35:34 cid: 00024942
SSL Enabled: NO
Client IP: 207.172.4.61 (unknown)
11:35:34 S: 220-winserver.com Wildcat! ESMTP Server v6.0.451.2 ready
...
11:35:34 C: EHLO smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net
11:35:34 S: 250-winserver.com, Pleased to meet you.
11:35:34 S: 250-SIZE 5120000
11:35:34 S: 250-ETRN
11:35:34 S: 250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN PLAIN-MD5 SHA-1
11:35:34 S: 250-AUTH=LOGIN
11:35:34 S: 250 HELP
11:35:34 C: MAIL FROM:<blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com> SIZE=4205
11:35:34 S: 250 <blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com>... Sender validation pending.
Continue.
11:35:34 C: RCPT TO:<winserver(_dot_)support(_at_)winserver(_dot_)com>
11:35:34 S: 550 Return Path not verifiable.
11:35:34 C: QUIT
11:35:34 S: 221 closing connection
Note the time. What was strange was no wcSAP recording. But as we found
out, you were black listed using a deprecated filtering file. I prematurely
took the benefit of the doubt and considered a bug on our part. Nope. Not
the case. You were twitted. Plain and simple.
Around 5 hours later, you were still trying to figure out the rejection
reason, so you tried the web-based TESTWCSAP test form:
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b -------------------------------------
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b params :
ip=207.172.4.61&cdn=smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net&from=blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com&xid=public
&debug=10&b1=submit
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b version : 2.01 / 1.10
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b xid : public
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b calltype : HTTP
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b callpath :
http://www.winserver.com/public/antispam/testwcsap.wct
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b sesstype : system
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b callerip : 65.10.108.109
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b cip : 207.172.4.61
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b cdn : smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b from : blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b localhost : mail.winserver.com
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b testorder : FLT RBL SPF CEP CBV
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b sapfilter : pass (time:78)
20041021 17:35:51 0002560b saprbl : testing
61.4.172.207.sbl.spamhaus.org
20041021 17:35:52 0002560b saprbl : testing 61.4.172.207.list.dsbl.org
20041021 17:35:57 0002560b saprbl : testing 61.4.172.207.bl.spamcop.net
20041021 17:36:02 0002560b saprbl : pass (time:10078)
20041021 17:36:07 0002560b sapspf : none (time:5906)
20041021 17:36:07 0002560b sapcep : test from=erols.com
20041021 17:36:12 0002560b sapcep : test cdn=smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net
20041021 17:36:14 0002560b sapcep : none (time:6109)
20041021 17:36:14 0002560b sapcbv : MX lookup: erols.com
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b sapcbv : total mx records: 1
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b sapcbv : mx: 207.172.4.98 mx.mail.rcn.net
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b try mx : mx.mail.rcn.net ip: 207.172.4.98
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b # connecting to 207.172.4.98
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b S: 220 mx19.mrf.mail.rcn.net ESMTP [NO UCE] RCN
Exim 3.35 #7 SD NASTD Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:34 -0400
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b C: NOOP WCSAP v2.01 Wildcat! Sender
Authentication Protocol http://www.santronics.com
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b S: 250 OK
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b C: HELO mail.winserver.com
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b S: 250 mx19.mrf.mail.rcn.net Hello
ntbbs.winserver.com [208.247.131.9]
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b C: MAIL FROM: <>
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b S: 250 <> is syntactically correct
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b C: RCPT TO: <blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com>
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b S: 250 <blilly(_at_)erols(_dot_)com> verified
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b C: RCPT TO:
<wcsap-openrelay-test-123sxa23(_at_)alqwejad(_dot_)com>
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b S: 550 relaying to
<wcsap-openrelay-test-123sxa23(_at_)alqwejad(_dot_)com> prohibited by
administrator
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b S: 550 relaying to
<wcsap-openrelay-test-123sxa23(_at_)alqwejad(_dot_)com> prohibited by
administrator
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b C: QUIT
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b sapcbv : 250
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b result : accept (-1)
20041021 17:36:15 0002560b wcsap finish (23984 msecs)
20041021 17:43:30 00025651 -------------------------------------
"Proof of the pudding is in the eating!"
Also, I see you ran about 5-6 testwcsap this morning. You tried various
combinations of input parameters. No FALSE POSITIVES!
Sincerely,
Hector Santos, CTO
Santronics Software, Inc.
http://www.santronics.com
305-431-2846 Cell
305-248-3204 Office