Re: [ietf-smtp] Curious, with this now being associated to emailcore, sh

You may want to have a look at the draft agenda, now posted at
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/agenda/agenda-108-emailcore-00,
and noting that the example topics for rfc5321bis are references
to Appendix G of draft-klensin-rfc5321bis-03 (the agenda sort of
says that, but, IMO, it is easy to miss).  It is vaguely
possible that a new version of the I-D will be posted before the
BOF meets, but it is thoroughly unlikely that Appendix
names/numbers will change.

Alexey or Seth may be able to add to that, especially if you
have specific questions.

Beyond the agenda, "emailcore" seems to be a title or framework
for a lot of different ideas that may not have focused or
converged yet.  The purpose of a BOF is to move that process
along.

best,
  john


--On Saturday, July 18, 2020 14:55 -0400 E Sam
<winshell64(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm out of the loop of the plans for the (future?) emailcore
> working group
>
> Any links where I can catch up and read more about this before
> the IETF 108 meeting (if I can make it of course)
>
> YES i DuckDuckGoed some information about it but I am still
> out of the loop a little bit
>
> Thank you all
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 6:13 PM John C Klensin
> <john-ietf(_at_)jck(_dot_)com> wrote:
> > --On Friday, July 17, 2020 14:57 -0700 Michael Peddemors
> > <michael(_at_)linuxmagic(_dot_)com> wrote:
> >
> > > Not sure what normally happens, but it might be confusing.
> > Independent of "normal", the name and mailing address of this
> > list is known by email developers and operators all over the
> > Internet.  It also consolidates some prior lists specifically
> > associated with mail headers, MIME, and non-ASCII addresses
> > and headers (and maybe others, probably including the lists
> > for the DRUMS and YAM WGs).   Changing its name (effectively
> > killing the list and starting another) would be disruptive in
> > the extreme.
> >
> > Perhaps "emailcore" should be given a list of its own, but I
> > think that would not be helpful either.
> >
> > > "Email Core" would have a wider scope, and it might be
> > > confusing if the list name was limited to 'smtp'.
> > Consider it a historical artifact and, like WG names (and
> > corresponding mailing list) that are chosen more for cuteness
> > than actual semantic value, accept it and move forward.
> >
> > Please.
> >
> >
> > I will leave it to the BOF Chairs and/or ADs to comment on the
> > rest of this but my understanding is that they want to keep
> > the scope of "emailcore" as narrow as possible, at least
> > initially, rather than having it expand into "any email topic
> > that would be worth addressing".
> >
> > Speaking only for myself, I note that the IETF has tried very
> > hard over the years to stay out of MUA design and issues.
> > Perhaps it is time to change that and take on at least some
> > MUA requirements (work is badly needed, IMO, in the non-ASCII
> > addresses and header space although I don't know if the IETF
> > as the right expertise to do it) but it would be a rather
> > large step.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Suggestion for topic for this group as well:
> > >
> > > Unifying all the 'autodiscover' and 'autoconfig' methods
> > > currently in place.. email client developers have now a very
> > > convoluted set of requirements in order to find the
> > > 'recommended' settings for that domain or ISP etc..
> > >
> > > There are several independent databases out there, eg
> > > Apple's own, the ISPDB, and even some of Microsofts' own
> > > email clients no longer follow traditional methods of
> > > lookups.. It is a bit of a mess, that maybe the IETF would
> > > like to weigh in on?
> > best,
> >    john
> >
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