I think this is just a smokescreen. The real problem is that it didn't get
the outcomes desired by a certain group. It has nothing whatsoever to do
with scaling. Democracy scales just fine.
Also, the last paragraph is nothing but an inappropriate ad hominem attack
on Mr. Hallam-Baker. I am speaking as someone who has some disagreements
with Mr. Hallam-Baker, but I prefer to couch those disagreements in facts,
rather than hyperbole. Despite my disagreements, Mr. Hallam-Baker makes
some credible points that can't be dismissed as easilly as Mr Vixie would
like. Such ad hominems are a violation of the Code of Conduct of the IETF
as documented in RFC 3184. I ask that the chair take the appropriate
action to halt this inappropriate activity.
--Dean
On 16 Jun 2003, Paul Vixie wrote:
pbaker(_at_)verisign(_dot_)com ("Hallam-Baker, Phillip") writes:
What happened to open and inclusive?
it didn't scale. but, rather than change the written rules, more emphasis
has been put on "design teams" and "directorates" in order to get work done
in ways the written rules don't cover. note that i think this is bad, and
that the written rules should be changed, and then followed, and that the
way things are trying to get done now has scaled even less well than before.
I have no confidence in Paul Judge as chair. I believe that his handling
of the group is damaging the IETF. The group may be in the IRTF but the
mailing list bears the name IETF and it the group is being presented to
the press as having been charged by the IETF to solve the problem.
The FTC testimony was dire. The ASRG chair stated that he believed the
group would come up with a technical solution. Every one of the other
members of the technical panel then stated that they thought it had
already failed. It made the IETF look ridiculous.
three different people came to me (as a known associate of verisign's) to
ask "who the hell is this hallam-baker idiot and why does verisign let him
out in public???" after your various tirades and misbehaviours at the ftc
thing. therefore it's possible that your rant about paul judge's activities
lacks credibility.
--
Paul Vixie