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Re: Mud. Clear as. Re: Rough consensus? #425 3.5

2005-01-27 12:49:32

I like this formulation.

A couple of suggested tweaks, inline:

Margaret Wasserman wrote:
Remove the current sections 3.5 and 3.6 and replace them with a new section 3.5:

3.5  Review and Appeal of IAD and IAOC Decision

   The IAOC is directly accountable to the IETF community for the
   performance of the IASA.  In order to achieve this, the IAOC and IAD
   will ensure that guidelines are developed for regular operational
   decision making.  Where appropriate, these guidelines should be
   developed with public input.  In all cases, they must be made public.

   Additionally, the IASA should ensure there are reported objective
   performance metrics for all IETF administrative support activities.

   In the case where someone questions that a decision or action of the IAD
   or the IAOC has been undertaken in accordance with IETF BCPs or
   IASA operational guidelines (including the creation and maintenance
   of an appropriate set of operational guidelines), he or she may ask the
   IAOC for a formal review of the decision or action.

   The request for review is addressed to the IAOC chair and should include
a description of the decision or action to be reviewed, an explanation of how the decision or action violates the BCPs or operational guidelines, and a suggestion for how the situation could be rectified. All requests for review
   will be publicly posted, and the IAOC is expected to respond to these
requests within a reasonable period, typically within 90 days. It is up to the IAOC to determine what type of review and response is required, based on the nature of the review request. Based on the results of the review, the IAOC may choose to overturn their own decision and/or to change their
   operational guidelines to prevent further misunderstandings.

If a member of the community is not satisfied with the IAOC's response to
   his or her review request, he or she may escalate the issue by appealing
the decision or action to the IESG, using the appeals procedures outlined
   in RFC 2026 [RFC2026].  If he or she is not satisfied with the IESG
   response, he or she can escalate the issue to the IAB and on the ISOC
   Board of Trustees, as described in RFC 2026.

   The IESG, IAB or ISOC BoT will review the decision of the IAD or IAOC

I'm stumbling over the "IESG, IAB or ISOC BoT".  I understand you're
saying "whichever it is at this level of the appeal", but it comes off
sounding a bit like "whoever gets around to replying".
Perhaps it could be rewritten as:

"The reviewing body (IESG, IAB or ISOC BoT, as appropriate) will ..."

and then subsequent instances of "IESG, IAB..." would be replaced
with "the reviewing body"?


   to determine whether it was made in accordance with existing BCPs and
operational guidelines. As a result of this review, the IESG, IAB or ISOC
   BoT may decide to initiate changes to the BCPs governing IAOC actions.

I suggest spelling out the "initiate changes" --

"...may decide to initiate the required public consensus process to
change the BCPs..."


   They may also advise the IAOC to modify existing operational guidelines
    to avoid similar issues in the future and/or may advise the IAOC to
    re-consider their decision or action.

In exceptional cases, when no other recourse seems reasonable, the IESG, IAB or ISOC BoT may overturn or reverse a non-binding decision or action
    of the IAOC.  This should be done after careful consideration and
consultation with the IAOC regarding the ramifications of this action. In
    no circumstances may the IESG or IAB overturn a decision of the IAOC
that involves a binding contract or overturn a personnel-related action (such as hiring, firing, promotion, demotion, performance reviews, salary adjustments,
    etc.).

[The last paragraph is likely to be the most controversial, as I am not sure that we have consensus that the IAB or IESG should be able to overturn or reverse
a decision or action of the IAOC at all.]





Leslie.

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