Re: improving WG operation

Keith Moore wrote:
> > > I think that's a symptom; a more fundamental problem is that WGs are
> > > trying to do too many things at once.
> > >
> > > I've lost track of how many times I've seen a WG 
> > >
> > > a) take valuable meeting time to have a presentation about a draft
> > > that is only peripherally related to the WG's current task
> > How many of those have been at the suggestion, or _insistance_, that an
> > individual or other WG's work be 'checked' in that WG?
> I've never seen an AD insist that a WG devote valuable face-to-face meeting
> time to "checking" work that was peripheral to the WG's interest.
Check again, please. I personally have been asked to take items to WGs
that I've already presented them to repeatedly - even at the meeting
adjacent to a Last Call.

> OTOH,
> I have seen WGs saddled with trying to make some other group's work into
> something sane - it's a thankless job, but sometimes a necessary one.  
> (mDNS comes to mind most readily here).  
Sure - and that's where the process works. Since it's hard to know that
ahead of time, why are you complaining about the check?

> > > c) accept the draft as a WG work item without any discussion of
> > > whether doing so will affect the WG's ability to get other work done, or
> > > the WG's ability to give adequate attention to the work already accepted
> > Or whether it is the WG or the IESG that has the real interest in the
> > area of work. When a doc hasn't even been read by a handful of people -
> > even after _multiple_ requests _at_ repeated WG meetings, it's amazing
> > when the result is a call for decision on what to do.
> Why is that amazing?  Yes, sometimes silence speaks for itself, but 
> there's nothing wrong with asking the question - so long as lack of
> response isn't taken for "yes".
That's the amazing part - the question was something akin to "any
objection to taking this as a WG item?"

Joe

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