Re: "straightforward, reasonable, and fair"
2005-05-06 22:19:59
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Ralph Droms wrote:
What is the context of technical astuteness? How do you compare
people with different technical focuses? You can't.
Giving ADs a private veto (private in the sense of not discussed in
public) seems to compare technical astuteness and assign more weight to
ADs. I suggest public discussion avoids giving ADs' technical
astuteness undue weight.
If an AD raises an issue about a document (from area X) that it
conflicts or causes serious problems (from the perspective of area Y),
how do you ensure that the more technically astute people
(particularly on Y but also a bit on X) participate in the discussion?
By making the discussion public...
[...]
There is nothing to prevent making such discussions public. Many
groups already do so so; the comments are already recorded in a public
database, and when the WG (chair or document editor) follows up on
those, e.g., by discussing the Discuss, it can be done Cc'ing the
mailing list.
Or do you have the problem that the discussion is held on the WG list
(and not on a wider forum), and for individual submissions, probably
in private? (individual submissions are problematic in this sense, but
they _are_ individual..)
So I don't see what problem you're seeing. To me, a Discuss is a flag
an AD can raise "I think there may be a serious issue here, and we
need to discuss it in case you disagree".
In principle, I consider that reasonable given the responsibily of the
IESG for technical quality.
However, sometimes this has some issues. Specifically, sometimes ADs
seem to be very busy and do not have time to respond to attempts at
initiating dialogue or the round-trip time between messages is high.
(Also, there are cases where the WG drops the ball for months, and
then gets back later -- by then the AD has probably already forgotten
what (s)he said and has to re-read parts of the spec.) This is a
particular problem if the WG thinks AD's issue is not really relevant
or is flat out wrong; it may take a while to convince the AD (though
the responsible AD may be able to help in these scenarios).
Maybe _this_ is something where we should consider how to increase the
timeliness and effectiveness of the dialogue.
--
Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the
Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds."
Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings
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