On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
No, but on the other hand WGs, the IESG and the IETF as a whole are fully
entitled to defend themselves against denial of service attacks.
There have been only 2 denial of service attacks:
1) When Dan Bernstein's subscription address was posted by Randy Bush on the
DNSEXT WG in violation of list and IETF policy, making possible forged
unsubscriptions, denying service to Dr. Bernstein on the issue of Anycast
Extension.
2) Kessens' instant attack trying to suppress valid technical criticism of ISC's
F Root operation, also on the issue of Anycast Extension.
If someone persistently sends off-topic mail over a long period, or mail
making acccusations that are clearly outside the IETF's scope, or simply
repetitions of the same point over and over, that is in effect a DoS and that
is why we have RFC 3683.
True statements generally, but this hasn't happened, and this does not describe
the current situation. My emails are plainly on-topic. Dan Bernsteins' email
were plainly on-topic, and relevant to current issues discussions within the
IETF.
Plainly off-topic and plainly disruptive is school-yard name-calling, as has
been repeatedly documented.
And to be very clear, if two parties are at odds outside the IETF, that must
stay outside the IETF. Inside the IETF (i.e. on our mailing lists and at
our meetings) there is no place for external disputes.
And of course, it is up to the IETF upper management to make sure that a WG
chair employeed by one company (ISC) does not abuse his IETF position in that
dispute. The IETF has clearly failed in that aspect, by allowing Rob Austein
to
continue using his official IETF role to defame Av8 Internet.
Plainly school-yard namecalling on the IETF lists is within "scope", and
prohibited by both the IETF Code of Conduct and the ISOC Code of Conduct.
Plainly abuse of privileges by IETF WG Chairs and Area Directors is within
scope.
WG Chairs, the Area Directors, and the IESG do have authority here.
Indeed they have not only authority, but also legal responsibility and legal
obligation to comply with the rules, but they haven't acted in the IETF interest
or acted according to the well-documented IETF and ISOC rules. This conflict of
interest and lack of fidelity to the IETF and ISOC rules is a scandal for the
IETF, and for the ISOC.
Dean Anderson
Av8 Internet, Inc
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