Howdy,
> I think though that the community ultimately needs to have the power
> to take back anything it has given. Basically, I think it is critical
> that ultimately everything within the greater IETF context be
> accountable to the IETF community. That is true of the IESG, the IAB
> and everything they do.
>
> I don't think this document represents that.
It is, at its heart, an -00 :-) Let's work on trying to fix the
text before assuming the whole structure is wrong.
Let's set aside *which* community for a moment (IETF community
or something larger) and work on making sure the document
is clear where the IAB makes decisions versus where it facilitates
the detection of and action upon consensus. Can you propose
some text improvements?
Leslie.
Sam Hartman wrote:
"Leslie" == Leslie Daigle <leslie(_at_)thinkingcat(_dot_)com> writes:
Leslie> Sam,
Leslie> Some high-level responses, and I'm sure we'll hear other
Leslie> input:
Leslie> 1/ I think you're overlooking something in "IETF pays for
Leslie> RFC Editor"; RFC Editor has been paid by ISOC for years,
Leslie> and *that* largely comes out of contributions from
Leslie> corporations. We actually have no data beyond the fact
Leslie> that they support the RFC Editor as currently constituted
Leslie> (i.e., including independent submissions).
Leslie> We've already heard (in IETF discussion in March) input
Leslie> that no in fact the IETF does not get to define the
Leslie> *in*dependent submission process; one purpose of the
Leslie> planned discussion is to ensure that the process is not at
Leslie> odds with the IETF's standards needs, but that is very
Leslie> different than having the IETF define it, as you describe.
OK. I was not paying that much attention in March,and if I'm too late,
I certainly have no problem with the community choosing to allow a
broader group to control the independent submission track, or to seed
that to the IAB.
I think though that the community ultimately needs to have the power
to take back anything it has given. Basically, I think it is critical
that ultimately everything within the greater IETF context be
accountable to the IETF community. That is true of the IESG, the IAB
and everything they do.
I don't think this document represents that.
--Sam
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