Bob - depends on the meaning of "straw poll". Any vote that results in an
action should be restricted to the 10 voting members. My understanding of
"straw poll" is an opinion poll that results in no direct action.
But I'm speculating and don't know what "straw poll" means in the context
we're discussing.
- Ralph
On 11/7/06 5:40 PM, "Bob Hinden" <bob(_dot_)hinden(_at_)nokia(_dot_)com> wrote:
Danny,
What!!!! The liaisons are there to provide additional
information, not directly influence the outcome.
Do you have more information on this? If this is true, I think
the result from that Nomcom is questionable. I think this needs
to be investigated and the result be made public.
I realize that we can't go back in time, but it needs to be clear
to current and future nomcom's that this is a major violation of
the nomcom process and should not be repeated.
Not to further belabor Fred's point, but:
You might consider the text in section 5(9) of RFC 3777:
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9. All members of the nominating committee may participate in all
deliberations.
The emphasis of this rule is that no member can be explicitly
excluded from any deliberation. However, a member may
individually choose not to participate in a deliberation.
True, but in Section 4, bullet 3, last paragraph:
None of the Chair, liaisons, or advisors vote on the
selection of
candidates. They do vote on all other issues before the
committee unless otherwise specified in this document.
In my view, having liaisons voting in straw polls is part of the
"vote on the selection of candidates" as it has the effect of
eliminating candidates. This is very different from
"deliberations". If wanted the liaisons to vote, we would have not
have included them in the above paragraph.
The restriction on liaisons is repeated in bullet 7 of the same
section. Bullet 7 makes it clear the role of liaisons is to provide
information to the nomcom and to represent the interest of their
organizations, not to actually select the candidates. Again in my
view, participating in "straw polls" is voting and is a violation of
RFC3777.
Regards,
Bob
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