Eric-
Did I misunderstand your original note? I thought you were suggesting
that IETFers were generally paranoid and forgetful. That certainly is
true for me, and yet I remember to wear my badge. But please don't allow
me to put words in your mouth; if I missed your point please clarify.
Cheers,
-Benson
________________________________
From: Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
[mailto:eric(_dot_)gray(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:49 PM
To: Schliesser, Benson
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic)
On the flip side, you could be arguing that nobody would be able
to understand
what I said without your helpful intervention. Must get tiring
having to put words
in other people's mouths all of the time...
Thanks!
--
Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson
________________________________
From: Schliesser, Benson [mailto:bensons(_at_)savvis(_dot_)net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:27 PM
To: Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at the mic)
Importance: High
Eric-
It sounds like your argument is: "We're too incompetent
to say our names at the mic, so we're probably too incompetent to use a
RFID system." Did I get that right?
While I'm certainly not going to defend the competence
of every IETF participant, I don't find much merit in that argument. In
my (unscientific) first-hand experiences, it seems that most people do
manage to wear their nametags at the meeting. And many of the names on
those tags are of cultural origins other than my own, i.e. from a
non-English speaking country. If I could actually see the name of the
person speaking, it seems like a great improvement over hearing a name
which is unintelligible to my ears or hearing no name at all. And if
somebody forgets their RFID-badge, then I'm no worse off than I am
today.
In other words, I think we could come up with a system
that worked well enough to be a net improvement over our current
operational model.
On the other hand, I am amused by your idea of scanning
the streets for RFID responses that look like IETF-badges. Then my robot
army could track down and kill all IETF participants whom oppose my
plans to take over the Internet! Or maybe I could just use them for some
fun practical jokes instead...
Cheers,
-Benson
________________________________
From: Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
[mailto:eric(_dot_)gray(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:56 PM
To: Andrew G. Malis
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: RFID (was: identifying yourself at
the mic)
Andy,
The problem is that we are a perpetually
forgetful crowd. In particular, we
tend to forget to take our badges off when we
wander around town. Hence,
it is likely that more people will be able to
tell where we are than those who
we intend to know where we are.
Kind of goes with the tendency to forget to
identify yourself at the mike.
So, we get a nice RFID protective wallet and
- remembering how absent
minded we are - we keep our name tags (with all
of our other RFID badges,
and passes) in that protective wallet.
As a result, unless you need to get it out
to get into a room, it will likely
be inside that protective wallet most of the
week. On the plus side, that
means I won't be the only one who forgets to put
my name tag on. On the
negative side, an RFID name tag - especially one
that is in a protective
wallet - is not particularly human readable. At
least - if we remember to put
them on - the current name tags are fairly easy
to read.
Did I mention how forgetfull we tend to be?
I thought so, but I don't
remember...
--
Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson
________________________________
From: Andrew G. Malis
[mailto:agmalis(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:45 AM
To: Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
Cc: David Morris; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: RFID (was: identifying
yourself at the mic)
Importance: High
Eric,
Why not? We each already receive a
unique identifier when we register for the meeting - all the RFID tag
needs to contain is that identifier, no personal info is required.
There could also be an opt-in locator
service to let other attendees look up what meeting room you're in at
that time. I would opt in - I'm alrways trying to find particular
people during the week, and this would certainly help people to find me.
Cheers,
Andy
On 3/27/07, Eric Gray (LO/EUS)
<eric(_dot_)gray(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com> wrote:
Excellent idea - NOT!!!
All we need is something else to wrap in
aluminum foil...
Thanks!
--
Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson
________________________________
From: Andrew G. Malis
[mailto:agmalis(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:55 AM
To: David Morris
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RFID (was: identifying yourself
at the mic)
RFID would be a great way to replace the
blue sheets as well - put an RFID reader at the door of each meeting
room. Embed the chip in the name tag so you don't need to remember to
bring anything else from your hotel room in the morning.
Cheers,
Andy
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Schliesser, Benson
wrote:
Sun has been pushing RFID technology
quite heavily ... perhaps they would
sponsor an experiment???
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