Hi Philemon,
I'm not sure if I'm missing something from your email, but what I can tell
you is:
1) Africa is not in a so bad situation looking at other regions with IPv6,
considering also the actual level of broadband deployment with IPv4.
2) Many people in other regions is also not aware of what IPv6 means, not
just as a protocol, but also from the perspective of future applications and
services. So no big difference here with the rest of the world, in general.
3) I've very closely worked with AfriNIC in the IPv6 capacity building
programs and the results are VERY visible, as the number of commercial IPv6
services, pilots and related activities has been continuously increasing
since them, showing the positive results of those actions.
4) Nobody is telling "remove IPv4". We talk about transition and coexistence
NOT migration, at least not at the time being. Against this is the same
problem in other regions, lack of enough education about this matter.
Competitors often don't talk openly about what they do, right ? I work with
many African ISPs and enterprises, and the situation doesn't look the same
you see.
5) Moving to IPv6 is *NOT*, in general, so expensive as perceived. In fact,
if you need help, I will be happy to provide it for free, as I often do in
developing regions.
6) IPv6 has been designed to cooperate with IPv4 !
Regards,
Jordi
De: philemon <philemon(_at_)drtvnet(_dot_)cg>
Responder a: <philemon(_at_)drtvnet(_dot_)cg>
Fecha: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:46:48 +0100
Para: <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>, Thomas Narten
<narten(_at_)us(_dot_)ibm(_dot_)com>
CC: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Africa and IPv6
Hi All,
Sorry for leading IPv4/IPv6 issues/debats back to the Africa context.
indeed, it is important for us who live in this area to undesrtand what is
our specific fate, what are our expectations in connection with the 'coming'
IP protocol ( I mean IP v6).
One note a king of hypocrisy, even in Africa, about the extent of the
CURRENT importance or necessity of IPv6 in Africa. Hereupon, i want to share
with you my analyze.
The keen interest for IPv6 is very very weak throughout the continent
http://www.afrinic.net/statistics/ipv6_resources.htm
The cause of this fact are numerous:
- People are not aware on additional benefits IPv6 should bring in their
life; thereby no thing is motivating them sustain to dynamic towars IPv6.
The main cause is the fact that there is no active e-strategy program in the
different governement political/policy agenda.
- Many organisations including afrinic try to initiate some capacity
building programs upon IPv6 for the attention of mainly some technical
bodies (ISPs...). Since then, not sure that things are going ahead at the
exepected speed. We can therefore wonder: Was it strategic to beging the
consciousness-raising compaign focusing on those specific bodies? If so why
things are not moving upon in Africa?
I work in a local ISP in my country, we have some meetings with our
competitors but no ISP here refer to IPv6 issues as if it was not a very
tipical matter as it is! Here again many ISPs in Africa are not yet aware on
the technical/business benefits of IPv6. According to some ISPs/africans),
as IPv4 is working well why should us change/remove it? Some one can answer
by refering to the exhaustion matter. Thereupon, some one add new arguments
so that to remain with IPv4 by well coming in the same time IPv6. They
argue:
- Moving towards the exclusive IPv6 is very expensive for African
governments, operators and users as well... and we cannot.
- Why both IPv4 and IPv6 cannot 'collaborate' together forever?
Thanks
Philemon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Narten" <narten(_at_)us(_dot_)ibm(_dot_)com>
To: <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
Cc: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: FW: I-D Action:draft-narten-ipv6-statement-00.txt
Hi.
A little more background/context that got me here.
My original thinking was to do something like what ICANN and the RIRs
have done, to bring awareness to the IPv4 situation and call for IPv6
deployment. I think the IETF can say a bit more about why, and the
threats to the internet architecture. (This came out of some
conversations I had at the recent ICANN meeting).
Maybe this could be an IAB statement. Maybe an IETF statement. I'm not
sure. But I think it would be useful to have an "IETF voice" also be
heard in the call for deployment. Especially since there are still
some going around saying "IPv6 is not needed." "IPv6 is still not
done, so don't deploy yet", etc. Does the IETF think that deploying
IPv6 is necessary and in the best interest of the Internet? If so,
reiterating that would be good.
I think though that it needs to be relatively short (which I probably
have already blown), and high-level, since it's really aimed at higher
level than your typical engineer. But the overal message needs to be
"think really hard about IPv4 exhaustion and what it means to your
business", "get serious about IPv6", and "it's done, so don't wait".
To find a good balance between "short" and also include a bit more
detail (especially on the implications of not seeing IPv6 deployed),
perhaps a short executive summary (which I didn't get into -00)
followed by a bit more detail (e.g., up to 3 pages or so) would do the
trick.
Thomas
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