I think this whole discussion would benefit from some concrete examples.
What wholly new protocols has the IETF developed in the past decade?
Which ones would you consider successful or not?
Almost by necessity, newer protocols tend to cover niches, relatively
speaking, as opposed to broad swaths of technical territory
("asynchronous message-based communication", "object retrieval", "name
mapping").
Henning
On Dec 31, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 28 dec 2007, at 7:41, Franck Martin wrote:
The "What makes a protocol successful" presentation, shows that the
best protocols are the ones given to IETF for it to refine and
complete. They have already a user pull when they reach IETF.
I don't think that's valid statistics: obviously many of the
protocols in question were already successful before they were
given to the IETF, which isn't necessarily the case for protocols
developed "in-house".
That's the point: protocols created in the IETF, over the last 10
years, do not have a very good record of deployment and use.
Protocols created outside the IETF and then brought into the IETF
have a better track record.
This suggests that the IETF has become a place to refine existing
(proven) work and to expand its community of adopters, rather than
to formulate initial work and gain initial adoption.
On reflection, this should not be viewed as heretical or even
problematic.
When a group grows to have the kind of massively diverse
participation that the IETF now gets, it is rarely going to be
possible to develop or maintain the kind of coherent focus needed to
get solid, cohesive specifications written: Things move from getting
"different perspectives" to getting "constant objections".
A successful protocol needs a tight design focus and a a clear
market need. Our current base of participation makes it difficult to
formulate either.
d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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