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Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-09 12:20:05
Hi Spencer,
I released a new version of the draft to change to ZeroBasedCounters and 
took the opportunity to rename the counters as you suggested. Now they are 
called *Oper* instead of *Other*:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-mib-09.txt
Regards,
-Robert

"Spencer Dawkins" <spencer(_at_)wonderhamster(_dot_)org> wrote on 09/03/2008 
05:02:54 
PM:

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Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

Spencer Dawkins 

to:

Robert Haas

09/03/2008 05:06 PM

Cc:

"Patrick Droz", "General Area Review Team", "Jamal Hadi Salim", 
ietf, "Ross Callon"

Hi, Robert,
 
Thanks for the quick response on all the comments -  to be explicit,
version 8 addresses all my comments, except for one question  (below).
 
It actually could be OK to retain the OtherMsg name  and definition,
if there is a reason to do so (one reason might be "deployed 
systems use this name and definition"). What I was saying was that 
it violates  the Principle of Least Astonishment - you could also 
clearly define "3" as "2",  but implementers would still think "3" 
was "3" when scanning  quickly.
 
:-)
 
This is an IETF Last Call review comment, so other  reviewers can 
tell you "Spencer is worried about nothing", and Gen-ART comments 
are never blocking unless an AD includes them in a DISCUSS.
 
I'll trust that you guys will do the right thing,  which might or 
might not be to make a change.
 
Thanks for hearing me out. 
 
Spencer
   o  Number of other ForCES  messages sent from the CE
       (forcesAssociationOtherMsgSent) and received by the CE
       (forcesAssociationOtherMsgReceived) since the association 
entered
      the UP state.  Only messages other  than Heartbeat, Association
      Setup, Association  Setup Response, and Association Teardown are
       counted.

Spencer (technical): I think I know what you're  saying here, but 
you're not 
counting "other" messages (because you  exclude some of the 
"other" messages. 
The point is that you didn't  get into the table with Association 
Setup/Association Setup Response,  and you leave the table 
immediately after 
Association Teardown, so  you don't have to count these messages, 
isn't it? 
:-( 

I agree, but I'd rather keep this explicit. As for  "OtherMsg" vs 
"OperationalMsg": I'd rather keep it as is, given that we define 
what are these "other" messages. 
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