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Re: [Trustees] ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your reviewandcomments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-12 21:03:58
Re. pre-5378 vs. post-5378 material, please note that in many
cases, an RFC may be post-5378, but the Internet-Drafts having
lead up to it may be pre-5378, or the lastest available Internet-
Draft may be post-5378, but earlier ones may be pre-5378.
In other words, just looking at things at the RFC level is not
enough. That may be obvious to many, just wanted to make sure
it doesn't get forgotten.

Regards,    Martin.


At 07:07 09/01/10, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
John,

On 2009-01-10 10:32, John C Klensin wrote:
...
And note that makes a clear and plausible transition model:

     (1) Pre-5378 documents exist under pre-5378 rules, so
     any potential user for non-traditional purposes needs to
     either figure out who the relevant authors are and get
     their permission or decide the risk isn't worth worrying
     about.  If some of those authors/ contributors make
     explicit transfers to the Trust, that is great, but none
     of them have to take responsibility for identifying all
     of the others.
     
     (3) Post-5378 new documents are posted according to 5378
     rules, with no exceptions.
     
     (2) Post-5378 documents that incorporate pre-5378
     materials must used 5378 rules for any material that is
     new.  For the earlier materials, and for sorting out
     which is which, the burden falls on the potential user
     for non-traditional purposes to either figure out who
     the relevant authors are and get their permission,
     determine that all relevant authors have already given
     permission, or assume the risks.   No one else --neither
     the author(s)/ editor(s) of the new document nor the
     Trust-- is required to take responsibility for pre-5378
     contributors or contributions.  Even an editor of the
     new document that worked on the old material is not
     required to make assertions about new rights on behalf
     of his or her former employer.

Thanks John, I believe that is an excellent summary of the
viable options. My draft implicitly adds

 (2.5) Post-5378 documents that incorporate pre-5378
 materials whose original contributors have duly agreed are
 posted according to 5378 rules, with no exceptions.

To my mind the main open issue is whether we want to
require authors to try for (2.5) before proceeding to (2).

   Brian
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