At 03:38 PM 9/24/2009, Dave CROCKER wrote:
HUANG, ZHIHUI (JERRY), ATTLABS wrote:
Notwithstanding the letter (or the intent) of the quoted contract language,
many people here have pointed out that all sides (IETF, Chinese government,
the Hotel, and participants in China/Asia) want to have a successful IETF
meeting in China - if we are having a meeting in China. IMO It's going to
take a lot of agitation to get the locals riled up to upset/break up the
meeting.
Jerry,
Alas, the letter is, in fact, standing and present. It says what it
says, and it is unique in our history. It cannot be ignored.
Also alas, nothwithstanding your excellent intentions, I suspect
that you cannot speak for the government or the hotel, and we cannot
know what behaviors will cause what damaging impact, nor can you
reassure us about the limits that we must stay within. The issue is
not one of strictly technical topics, but the ability of our
community to navigate within those unknown limits.
We /can/ know that as a community, the IETF is often socially inept
and even offensive. Some of us are proud of that. Others of us are
chagrined. But our behavior has been quite consistent over two
decades and there is no sign if its changing.
some will rightly argue "nor should we have to"
I'm not sure I'm one of them, but I'm conscious of the impact of
"having done it once (looking as if IETF79 were in the past), we
can/should do it again in the future..."
a pattern will emerge that many don't want to start
d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net
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