It is really hard to keep management backing for a standards process
that does not deliver standards.
I know that there are some people in the IETF who would very much like
to see the commercial entities banished. And to some extent that has
happened, there is a reason that IBM and Microsoft put more resources
into OASIS and W3C and I do not think it is because they have more
influence there.
We are also seeing fewer academics.
I don't think that you want participation in IETF activities to be
limited to the few people fortunate enough to have managers who
understand the nature of the organization and a few individuals of
private means.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Loa Andersson <loa(_at_)pi(_dot_)nu> wrote:
Adrian,
I think both statements are true.
I've seen operators putting almost any RFC in RFPs, (actually done
it myself) STD, DS, PS, Informational, Experimental, Historic and
April 1st. An RFC is an RFC is an RFC!
On the other hand talking to folks active in other SDOs you very
often hear the "no standards" argument.
Renaming without changing definitions should part of the job.
/Loa
Adrian Farrel wrote:
Hi,
From the perspective of the world outside the IETF, this is already the
case. An RFC is an RFC is an RFC...
I don't think this is a truth universally acknowledged.
I have heard the IETF disparaged a number of times on account of "hardly
having any standards". For example, a full Standard is equated by some
people with an ITU-T Recommendation with the implication that a DS and PS
are significantly inferior to a Recommendation.
Whatever we might think of the value of this statement and the motives of
the people who make it, it is clear that the names of the different levels
of RFC are perceived outside the IETF.
Over dinner this evening we wondered whether something as simple as
looking again at the names of the stages in the three phase RFC process
might serve to address both the perceptions and the motivations for
progression.
Cheers,
Adrian
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