Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets

Hi Lucy,

Yes, I know is much more complex issue.

Actually, I think is not fair that volunteers don't get their traveling
expenses and registration paid, because as it has been said, being at the
NOC, probably means they can't even actually participate in the meeting
itself.

And I think this is the same situation for IESG members.

Answering also a previous response from Yoav Nir, it is not an IETF issue if
a NOC member or an IESG member is getting paid from a company to do his job.

Actually this is a big discrepancy, because the IETF participants ARE
individuals, not companies, so obviously it is good that some companies
allow IESG members to actually use most of his time for the IESG, and I
agree with the policy that we can only have IESG members that are in that
situation if we want to warranty they have the time to commit, but either we
pay all them (NOC and IESG their expenses and registration), or none.

We need a consistent policy.

Looking for transparency at IETF, I think it is more clear for all that
there is no waiver for anyone's registration fee. But if we opt for offer
complimentary to some, it should be made clear and publicly who and why
(NOC, IESG, host team, future host team, others).

Regards,
Jordi

From: Lucy Lynch <llynch(_at_)civil-tongue(_dot_)net>
Reply-To: <llynch(_at_)civil-tongue(_dot_)net>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:44:16 -0800 (PST)
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
Cc: "iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" <iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, IETF discussion 
list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

I just realized something ...

Note that I'm not saying that volunteer NOC is not good, but, if they are
waived from the registration fee ... Why IESG members not ?


Jordi -

With respect, this is a more subtle problem set then you're
seeing. I'm a NOC volunteer and I paid on own way this time
and have for most meetings.

Back when I worked for the University of Oregon and volunteering
I had my registration covered for a couple of meetings when I
traveled on my own dime to help get me to the meeting (and the NOC).

My current contributions are not core to getting the network up,
so I just figure out how manage my day job, the IETF, and the NOC
on my own. At least once as an IAOC member I paid my own registration
and travel as the UO didn't see any value in the process role. I
used vacation time and could manage the expense on my own, so I did.

- Lucy

Is that we valuate less the effort of the IESG members, which is across all
the time in the year, than NOC that is may be 6-7 weeks per year (assuming 2
weeks or so needed per meeting) ?

I think we really need to have a balance on this.

Regards,
Jordi

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
Reply-To: <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:38:16 +0800
To: IETF discussion list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Cc: "iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" <iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets

I'm still not convinced.

If you accept to be waived, you should accept that the waiver is made
public. It is not a matter of privacy, you're not forced to.

Moreover, and this needs to be answered, or we have a problem. What is the
RFC that allows this waiver ?

Regards,
Jordi

From: Marshall Eubanks <tme(_at_)americafree(_dot_)tv>
Reply-To: <tme(_at_)americafree(_dot_)tv>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:24:49 -0500
To: Yoav Nir <ynir(_at_)checkpoint(_dot_)com>
Cc: "iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" <iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, IETF discussion 
list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>,
"jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es" 
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets


On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:08 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:


On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:36 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

Hi Henk,

I don't agree. If there is people "essential" to the meeting but can't
pay,
as we all pay for that, we have the right to know.


I disagree with that. There is a privacy issue here. If x can't pay his
way,
and needs a comp ticket, it's enough that the IETF chair knows about this.
It's not our right to know of their financial situation.


+1

Marshall

This is an open organization right ? I will be VERY concerned if we don't
have this information being made public immediately. It sounds really
really
strange to me.


You pay for everything the Spanish government does, which, I assume,
includes
some kinds of welfare like unemployment benefits. You don't get a list of
all
people who get these benefits, do you?

Is it documented in any RFC ?

Moreover, if I'm in between jobs, or need a new job, or whatever, I think
is
good for me that others know, in case I can get some new offers.


People look for jobs in various ways at their discretion. Being from
Spain,
there are only 6 more of your countrymen at the Beijing meeting. How many
relevant job offers would you get?
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