Hi Bob,
At 14:04 19-04-2011, Bob Hinden wrote:
But that may not always be the case that all IAOC members have a lot
of IETF experience. We need to have a governance model that works
into the future.
Yes, it may happen that some IAOC members may not have a lot of IETF
experience. How do you ensure that the IAOC members have a lot of
IETF experience? You can tweak the governance model. The IETF
community also have to be convinced that it is the better model or
else it will be changed. There are some safeguards in the IETF model
that I won't get into. It's merely a matter of time for that to
change. I'll list the names of the people who have participated on
this thread:
Dave Crocker
Lucy Lynch
John Klensin
Russ Housley
Jari Arkko
Olaf Kolkman
Brian Carpenter
Henk Uijterwaal
Leslie Daigle
Ole Jacobsen
Marshall Eubanks
Joe Touch
Joel Jaeggli
Steve Crocker
Michael Richardson
Barry Leiba
Spencer Dawkins
Bert Wijnen
The people listed below were part of NomCom:
Gregory Cauchie
Mehmet Ersue
Dorothy Gellert
Tony Hansen
Suresh Krishnan
Dirk Kroeselberg
Jan Seedorf
Pete St. Pierre
Rolf Winter
You may notice that there isn't any intersection with the previous list.
It would certainly give the IAOC chair a broader view, but still not
the views of the I* chair. Also, if the I* chairs (3 of 9 voting
members) regularly didn't attend, it would be much harder to get a
quorum for a meeting and pass motions.
I did not comment on getting a quorum previously as it's only adding
one more problem to the mix. "The IAOC decides the details about its
decision-making rules, including its rules for quorum, conflict of
interest, and breaking of ties".
I agree with you that the views of the I* Chairs are important. It
also helps avoid back and forth discussion between I* bodies; e.g. is
this an IESG decision or can the IAOC decide. I don't think that the
IAB or the IESG can be absolved from the responsibility if the IAOC
takes a negative turn as each of them chooses an IAOC member.
If the ex-IAB Chair and the IESG Chair ask for a change to the model
due to the workload, is it on a whim? This is where people walk away
from a problem because they tried and got stone-walled. If the IETF
believes that it is appropriate to mince everything they can get out
of a person in the name of good governance, so be it.
Regards,
-sm
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