--On Saturday, April 16, 2011 07:51 -0700 Lucy Lynch
<llynch(_at_)civil-tongue(_dot_)net> wrote:
The implication is that the people sitting in the positions
of IAB Chair and IETF Chair are essential to the good
operation of the IAOC/Trust. Someone else from their groups
or even someone else that they appoint from outside cannot
perform the task of IAOC/Trust member adequately.
I think this is the wrong question. I don't think this is
about the
people who sit on the IAOC or the Trust, it is about the
roles. Their
participation is part of the chain of accountability to the
community.
The IAOC was crafted to include both the IAB and IETF Chairs
as well
as the ISOC CEO in their respective roles and not as Fred,
Harold, and
Lynn (as members of the IETF community).
Why?
What are the specific contributions (insights and skills)
that these roles regularly perform, in the conduct of the
IAOC/Trust that cannot be performed adequately by others?
see above.
One more point here: as a former Chair of the IAOC (IAB
appointed
member from the community) I'm sympathetic the the overload
arguments
but I'll note that absent the IAB/IETF chairs the work of the
IAOC
chair and the weight put on that role may increase in
unexpected ways.
I agree with many of the points that Bob, Brian, Leslie, and
Jari
have made in earlier posts and think that we need to take a
broader
view of the problems we're trying to solve here. Role overload
is
an on-going problem but I'm not sure we solve this by moving
the
administrative accountability we gained through BCP 101 to
additional volunteers.
At the risk of agreeing violently with Dave, I think the series
of comments above, and referenced above, are missing something.
None of this familiy of "delegation" or "someone else" proposals
requires that the IAB or IESG Chairs not serve on the IAOC. If
they think that is sensible and they have the time, they are
free to do that. We might even strongly encourage it. However,
if those people conclude that limited available time is better
spent in other ways or that, if they take the IAOC position,
they would not be able to devote adequate attention to it,
aren't we better off giving them the flexibility and discretion
to make that decision? Similarly, if someone tells the
appointing body "I have the time and resources to take on the
IAB Chair or IETF Chair position but only if that position does
not include the responsibility of sitting on the IAOC" isn't it
better to give those bodies the option of considering that
person rather than limiting the choices to those who can sign up
for all of the job?
At least from my perspective, broadening the flexibility
available to already-appointed IAB and IETF Chairs and to the
bodies that appoint them is the real issue here. _Requiring_
that they serve on the IAOC does not create more time or
resources, it just limits the range of people who can take those
positions or, more likely, raises the odds of getting someone
onto the IAOC who won't be able to pay full (or even adequate)
attention.
So. in addition to the questions Dave posed, the question I
would address to you and Bob is whether, given a hypothetical
choice of someone sitting on the IAOC ex-officio but not being
able to really pay attention because he or she concludes that
there are more pressing priorities and having someone
representing the IAB or IESG who really can pay attention, which
one you would pick. In the worst case, if you prefer to have
the Chairs nominally present but not paying complete attention,
then keep insisting that they are the only ones who can possibly
occupy the IAOC slot.
As part of that, figure out how you are going to convince the
Nomcom and the IAB that selecting people for the Chair roles
should have "will give IAOC first priority regardless of their
judgment about the importance of other aspects of their roles"
as an absolute criterion and/or how you are going to convince
the community to recall anyone in the Chair roles who does not
give the IAOC that priority.
best,
john
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