Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
2012-08-09 12:40:17
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:
You said about Prague:
"...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?"
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly from the US (or
Asia for that matter). Most require transiting some kind of major hub
(London, Paris, Frankfurt, Amsterdam to name a few). There will always
be exceptions, I am sure you can get to Stockholm directly from the US
East Coast, but not from the West Coast. I am sure a very large
percentage of the IETF attendees from the US went through London or
Frankfurt (or a small number of alternatives) to get to Stockholm on
the two occasions when we met there.
Since I travel to Norway on a more or less regular basis, I am used to
(and quite happy to) go through Frankfurt or London, it's just a fact
of life especially if you factor in the "preferred carrier" (personal
or corporate). Prague may be an "extra hop," but depending on
schedules you might well get to your destination (hotel) just as
quickly as you would for getting from CDG to central Paris or LHR to
central London.
If we restrict European cities to the ones with direct flight
connections from other continents, we're really limiting the choices.
Let's be a little more realistic and consider actual travel "pain"
from the top hubs in Europe, assuming we can't (always) meet in those
places.
I do understand that the extra hop does add some cost, which is why
I always consider trains as a reasonable alternative, albeit not a
particularly fast one. For example, the cost for a First Class train
ticket from Frankfurt to Prague was 98 Euros. I am not suggesting
that this is always going to be a reasonable alternative, and I am
worried that the mere mention of "train" on this list may result in
a flame war, but still...
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen
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