On 9/5/2012 10:50 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
On Sep 5, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Jari Arkko <jari(_dot_)arkko(_at_)piuha(_dot_)net>
wrote:
I'd be supportive of allowing the IESG to make a decision to remove I-Ds based
on court orders, abuse, and other well-justified reasons.
Such events would be rare, and we should let the IESG do its job of making
decisions based on available information. The statement need not and should not
have an exact algorithm, because we will not be able to determine all the
situations where this might be necessary. There are various abuse cases and
even mistakes by the authors that in some rare cases might be something that
should lead to documents being pulled. The statement should indicate, however,
the reasons (such as showing prior art) why such take-downs should be rare.
+1. I would also like to emphasize that the original statement said that things
taken down would be replaced with descriptive tombstones. That is a very
important feature of the proposal.
How would taking them down invalidate any previous licenses issued??? if
nothing then taking the material down is meaningless since the act which
licensed it for permanent use is irrevocable.
This was the whole point of describing the previous method as a one-way
publishing path and it is what the problem is with any positive control
over the IP and its licensing.
The issue is not what remains actively published but what was published
on those previous dates and under what terms it was published. The whole
point of taking something down is that it invalidates and revokes the
license to use which is functionally meaningless here because of the
original "you get to use it forever no matter what" licensing which the
IETF has placed into control over the last 5 years or so.
As such doing anything with a public policy like this which doesn't
address the underlying licensing is meaningless. It has no effect and is
a waste of time since it clearly says we know something is wrong but we
are not really going to fix it.
See my point?
Todd Glassey
--Paul Hoffman
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