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Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-20 11:55:16
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Keith Moore 
<moore(_at_)network-heretics(_dot_)com>wrote:

On 05/17/2013 10:21 PM, Andy Bierman wrote:


I notice that nowhere on this list is any mention of the charter
milestones
or dates.  Is the Foo Proto draft due in 14 months or is it 14 months
behind
schedule?  If the latter, why isn't the Foo WG meeting at the IETF?


I don't think milestones will be useful unless and until:

(a) they're defined in terms of not only concrete but also meaningful
goals (e.g. "complete problem definition", "identify affected parties and
groups representing their interests", "complete outline of initial design",
but NOT "revise document X");
(b) we start automatically suspending the activities of groups that fail
to meet them (no meetings, no new I-Ds accepted, mailing list traffic
blocked), until such groups are formally rechartered; and
(c) IESG is reluctant to recharter groups that have repeatedly failed to
meet milestones, especially if those groups haven't produced evidence of
significant progress.


I think we can find some middle ground between "ignore charter milestones
completely"
and "autobot to terminate WGs behind schedule". :-)

Keith


Andy
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