(2) As far as I can tell, the operators in most regions are
generally well represented in, and collaborate using, the
various *NOGs.
the first derivative is generally positive. a lot of fluff, machismo,
and posturing, but that seems to come with any endeavor involving us
funny monkeys.
We are not a user group either.
from the ops' pov, this is not exactly true. it is notable that there
are almost no .*vendor user groups (ejk's xr-ug being a rare and useful
exception). the ietf is one of the few formal leverage points where we
can get change from the vendors.
To the extent to which there is a need for more user groups or more
effective ones, I hope that the ISOC Chapter structure is at least
making useful contributions in the area.
the isoc does not attract operators. it is social/political. if we
fear the roi to an operator of ietf participation is low, the roi of
participation in isoc is vastly lower. but this is not a bug, it's a
feature.
we do not need more poly/soc folk helping us run our networks. we
desperately need them doing the critically needed, and far more
difficult, work of providing the socio-political front for the internet.
and their talents and achievements in these areas are pretty darned good
and getting better every year.
randy