On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Aaron Yi DING
<yding(_at_)cs(_dot_)helsinki(_dot_)fi> wrote:
On 18/06/13 21:08, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
When I make a statement at the microphone and then have multiple people
come to thank me afterwards for making that point I don't consider it
pontificating.
sorry, just point it out, sometimes you said it right, but that does not
guarantee you are always right. to correct and make it clearer, "when ...
made a statement, ... people came to thank" for past experience, no
present tense please.
no further comment, since I actually appreciate what you said and the
intention, as you described below.
It is hard to encourage, much easier to discourage. I thought Peter's
attempt at a slap down was completely out of line and demonstrates the
problem I am talking about here. Agenda denial is a strategy where to avoid
discussing the topic that you know you have a weak case you suggest a
change of topic.
There is a real problem with accountability and transparency in the IETF
constitution which was designed by a bunch of old boys to maintain control
in their own hands. Peter is a member of the IETF establishment so of
course he sees no structural problem.
What I suggested is that the status quo is going to lead to applications
area work moving to forums outside the IETF. The Jabber folk have already
done this with the XMPP foundation.
I have the greatest of respect for Vint Cerf's technical capabilities but
he consistently failed to establish open and transparent governance
mechanisms.
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