On Oct 9, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Tobias Gondrom
<tobias(_dot_)gondrom(_at_)gondrom(_dot_)org> wrote:
On 09/10/13 14:14, Ted Lemon wrote:
On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:45 AM, Tobias Gondrom
<tobias(_dot_)gondrom(_at_)gondrom(_dot_)org>
wrote:
But I support SM's proposal that it would be good
to do a few days comment period for such important statements in the
future - if timing is not critical. There is no harm in a few days delay
and getting input from the community.
This is a nice theory, but the usual last call time at IETF is either two
weeks or four weeks, not a few days, and that's for a good reason. I think
there is no way that a statement of the type we are discussing can ever
represent IETF consensus unless we go through an actual consensus call.
So the real question here is, is it ever appropriate for the chair of the
IAB or the chair of the IETF to sign a statement like this without getting
consensus? I think that's a good question, and I don't have a strong
opinion on the answer. But if the answer is that we need consensus, then
we actually need to do a consensus call.
The only value I see in "a few days" would be an opportunity for
wordsmithing—as someone pointed out, the current statement could be read as
expressing concern that secrets were leaked, rather than concern about what
was done in secret, and it would have been nice if that wording could have
been corrected. If that is what you were asking for, then that does make
sense.
(thinking out loud...)
Yes, that is what is was thinking about. Probably wisdom of the crowds could
have helped with the wordsmithing part.
I imagine that's exctly the part of course that they aren't interested in once
they're hashed out a high-level statement (and have general agreement between
the signatories ) is more input.
It seems dramatically simpler to just make the satement as individuals who put
their name on something.
And in my view even some little feedback (3-7 days) is better than none. And
just to be clear: with such a short comment option, the goal is just comments
not to get a rough consensus.
We have a process for obtaining consensus. It takes a little while.
All the best, Tobias
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