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Re: Montevideo statement

2013-10-10 11:28:50
Leaders were "processed" thoroughly prior to their appointment so I trust
them. And that they hold through the "spirit" of being an IETF and shall be
responsible under oath for any impact on the organization.

BR,
Medel

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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Abdussalam Baryun <
abdussalambaryun(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:

I agree to appoint leader under clear procedures, so I am not sure of
representing without procedure is authorised in ietf, but I trust that ietf
leaders do practice procedure, but not sure if discussion meant that there
was something missing in this statement practice.

AB


On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Arturo Servin wrote:


        We appointed our leaders, we have to trust them. They had to do a
call,
an important one and they made it.

        I support what they did, that is what we chose them for, to
represent
us and be our voice. We cannot expect that they ask our opinion for
every decision they made, that is not practical or possible in today's
world. Sometimes like in this statement, we need to trust in their good
judgment.

My 20 cents,
as





On 10/9/13 12:00 PM, John C Klensin wrote:


--On Wednesday, October 09, 2013 02:44 -0400 Andrew Sullivan
<ajs(_at_)anvilwalrusden(_dot_)com> wrote:

...
That does not say that the IAB has issued a statement.  On the
contrary, the IAB did not issue a statement.  I think the
difference between some individuals issuing a statement in
their capacity as chairs and CEOs and so on, and the body for
which they are chair or CEO or so on issuing a similar
statement, is an important one.  We ought to attend to it.

Please note that this message is not in any way a comment on
such leadership meetings.  In addition, for the purposes of
this discussion I refuse either to affirm or deny concurrence
in the IAB chair's statement.  I merely request that we, all
of us, attend to the difference between "the IAB Chair says"
and "the IAB says".

Andrew,

While I agree that the difference is important for us to note,
this is a press release.  It would be naive at best to assume
that its intended audience would look at it and say "Ah. A bunch
of people with leadership roles in important Internet
organizations happened to be in the same place and decided to
make a statement in their individual capacities".  Not only does
it not read that way, but there are conventions for delivering
the "individual capacity" message, including prominent use of
phrases like "for identification only".

Independent of how I feel about the content of this particular
statement,  if the community either doesn't like the message or
doesn't like this style of doing things, I think that needs to
be discussed and made clear.  That includes not only at the
level of preferences about community consultation but about
whether, in in the judgment of the relevant people, there is
insufficient time to consult the community, no statement should
be made at all.

Especially from the perspective of having been in the
sometimes-uncomfortable position of IAB Chair, I don't think IAB
members can disclaim responsibility in a situation like this.
Unlike the Nomcom-appointed IETF Chair, the IAB Chair serves at
the pleasure and convenience of the IAB.  If you and your
colleagues are not prepared to share responsibility for
statements (or other actions) the IAB Chair makes that involve
that affiliation, then you are responsible for taking whatever
actions are required to be sure that only those actions are
taken for which you are willing to share responsibility.   Just
as you have done, I want to stress that I'm not recommending any
action here, only that IAB members don't get to disclaim
responsibility made by people whose relationship with the IAB is
the reason why that are, e.g., part of a particular letter or
statement.

      john




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