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Re: Number of CAs (was: Mandatory encryption as part of HTTP2)

2013-11-17 02:21:14
Hi, phil

I think we all agree that there are not 600 root CAs (just looking at the root 
store of your favorite OS or browser shows that), and the actual number of 
organizations is "only" several dozens. 

What both the EFF and this discussion are missing, is that the number of 
organizations running root CAs is not the biggest part of the problem. In 
addition to the root CAs, the big organizations have sub-CAs and RAs. I trust 
you remember that ComodoHacker did not actually hack Comodo. He hacked 
instantssl.it.  And those researchers didn't trick Verisign into signing a 
sub-CA certificate using an MD5 collision, they did it to RapidSSL[1].

So how many InstantSSL.it and RapidSSLs are there? Don't they outnumber the 
root CAs? Are they subject to the same rules set by the CABF? NameConstraints 
are very rare on the web, so these Sub-CAs or RAs can issue a certificate for 
anything. Isn't that right?

Yoav


[1] Is it just my imagination, or do the names of CAs indicate that marketing 
believes that quickly getting the cert is the only thing that customers care 
about?

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