Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Miles Fidelman
<mfidelman(_at_)meetinghouse(_dot_)net <mailto:mfidelman(_at_)meetinghouse(_dot_)net>> wrote:
Is it perhaps also incumbent on the folks promulgating DMARC (and
its predecessors, and its sure-to-be successors) to work
cooperatively with mailing list developers, rather than taking the
position "nope, we break mailing lists, not our problem?"
The DMARC proponents did engage mailman. Version 2.1.16 includes
support for a setting that makes the operation of the list
DMARC-friendly, though likely in a way some people will find
unpalatable. Either way, it was not done entirely in a vacuum.
I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that what we need to be
looking at is defining an SMTP extension that addresses BOTH sets
of concerns - and doing so in a cooperative manner that engages
not just the community behind DKIM and DMARC, but also the
developers and operators of mailman, sympa, majordomo, listserv -
and ideally the sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail community.
Dare I suggest that this calls for an IETF working group?
I mentioned in another thread that the DMARC people did come to the
IETF to ask for a working group to complete development of the work on
the standards track. This request was denied on the grounds that
DMARC was essentially already done, and thus the IETF had nothing
engineering-wise to contribute. There were also too few people that
were not already DMARC proponents that would commit to working on it
Thanks for the history Murray.
Does this, perhaps, illuminate a flaw or failing in the way IETFs
effects its role as the Internet's official standards body? The more so
that it's not stepping in after the fact to help clear up this mess?
I do wonder if there's a related case study in the way that RSS evolved
into Atom - a case where outside work, and conflicts within it, ended up
being worked under the IETF aegis? (Sort of shame that Atom has not
become more popular.)
Miles
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