Re: Hotel situation

Let me add another point of view. And it is geographic.

I do not believe Internet is US effort (for decades) nor effort being 
funded by big global corporations (hopefully). If we want to open the 
IETF to "foreigners" we need to go there (with the price causing 
difficulties to incumbent geeks). Be sure - it is harder to visit IETF 
if you are male engineer living to India than female engineer living to 
San Francisco.
I'd strongly propose to go to new locations (as I saw a lot of new 
activities here after IETF came first time), and tune-up the remote 
participation systems.
And - it would be great if IOAC/AMS is providing as much information as 
possible, but I do not expect they are our babysitters. I'm always 
responsible to find a suitable hotel, tickets and cost of living each 
IETF according the budget (which is sometimes 0, so I'm not coming).
If we want to be closed group, let's select Minneapolis three times per 
year and we are done. Everything is a kind of compromise, do not be selfish.
No jokes here, please not be offended by ordinary english.

        Michal (speaking as "foreginer")

P.S: It is almost sure I'm not coming to BA as it is most likely over my 
budget, but I still think this location is good for the IETF and for the 
Internet.
Dne 18.12.2015 v 18:20 Warren Kumari napsal(a):
> So, I suspect that at least part of this is caused by there being a 
> number of different incentives at work / people optimizing for a 
> number of different things[0].
> 5: Some set of folk think that planning a meeting and choosing a 
> location is easy. If you open a browser and type in "hotel" there are 
> many, many results. This *surely* means that we can easily find one 
> that will take out money. After all, we are a "prestigious" 
> organization, no hotel is going to give up a thousand or so guaranteed 
> guests, and, well, the $confernce met there a few years ago. 
> Unfortunately $confernce is not the same as the IETF. There are many 
> many constraints and tradeoffs that the IETF meeting planners have to 
> take into account. I'm part of the NOC team and regularly chat with 
> someone who is involved in some of the site selection. One of my 
> favorite games is "Why don't we go to XXX?" - fairly much anywhere I 
> suggest has already been considered, and there are good reasons (often 
> surprising) that it has been disqualified.
> Believe it or not, the meeting selection committee / IOAC is not 
> sitting around scratching their armpits and / or optimizing for ways 
> to make people sad...
> W