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Re: Concerns about Singapore

2016-04-10 08:12:40
Having been to Singapore once before I am certain there are no room police 
patrolling the hotel corridors trying to ascertain what activities the guests 
are up to in their own rooms. There were also >>no personal questions asked 
at hotel registration as far as I recall ( I am sure I would have remembered 
that) so I don't see it as an especially hostile environment.‎ I think the 
IETF should confirm >>with the meeting hotels that there will be no issues in 
that regard and also a check with the Singapore authorities that there will 
be no threat to IETF participants because of their orientation or >>marital 
status would be a sensible measure.


I’m sure they didn’t ask *you* any questions. But you might have gotten some 
response if you tried to check in with another man into a room that had just 
one bed.  I’m not saying that you would. I >don’t know, having never been in 
Singapore, but I can understand that it would be a concern. 
 
Guys, believe me, I am not for discrimination in any form whatsoever and of 
course, it is wonderful if IETFers want to bring their family with them to 
locations but isn't it more important for the IETFer themselves to attend and 
to not be harassed?   Does IETF need to plan for not just attendees but 
attendee's families?


A lot of us have never said anything but people might want to read the section 
that is in Wikipedia on "White Privilege". 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

This might help put a different perspective on this discussion.

I know at least one participant at IETF95 who was searched multiple times at 
the same airport because his skin was brown and we suspect that he was 
profiled.  You may look at compilations which have rank countries by racist 
attitudes and in some, the United States comes in first.

But, you do not hear us talking about this or even complaining or suggesting 
that we are getting an unfair deal.  We just work harder and try to support 
each other.

And, this kind of thing - getting hassled, ignored in restaurants, possibly 
physically assaulted if we are in the wrong area, etc.etc. is for IETF 
participants.  Not, IETFer's bringing their families - which I will add is not 
an option for many in the developing world because it is far too expensive.  It 
is hard enough for the IETFer himself / herself to attend - much less bring 
their family.

Don't get me wrong, I am definitely not saying that discrimination against our 
LGBT brothers & sisters is to be discounted.  There is a young gay man who grew 
up with my daughter who is like a son to me & even in the very liberal 
environment of Berkeley, California, there are issues with him being openly 
gay.  Just as there are issues with me being a woman of color.

No one has an exclusive on being treated badly.  Unfortunately.

Let's try to work with each other and support each other to bring the 
collaborative attitudes and openness that underlie the Internet and the 
openness of the IETF to the developing world.  I think that we are agents of 
change just as the Internet is an agent of change.  Unfortunately, sometimes, 
there are costs to be borne for this.  We need to look at the greater good.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks,
Nalini


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