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Re: [IAOC] question to the IAOC: new committee members
2016-11-16 20:45:44
Jordi,
Whether or not the structure of the IAOC (size, composition) is right is
a separate conversation, and let’s leave that aside.
The IAOC’s Committees are populated by and work at the pleasure of the
IAOC, which decides who makes sense to put on them, what expertise and
experience is important at a moment in time, and how best to put people
together that they believe will work well together. We do review
committee membership on (at least) an annual basis. If that sounds
self-serving, it perhaps is: it’s how the IAOC gets work done. It
also means that the committees do not make decisions — they do work
and present recommendations to the IAOC, which makes decisions and takes
responsibility for the outcomes.
We have not published detailed review our our decision process about
composing the committees — these are intimately tied to the details of
how we get our work done and they are, frankly, personnel decisions.
In making our call for community volunteers, we did try to be clear
about what we were looking for. We are trying to be clear and
transparent about who is helping us get our work done (i.e., who is on
the committees).
I understand you are not happy with our choices, and I’m sorry you
feel that way. I am around through midday tomorrow if you want to talk
about it offline.
Leslie.
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On 16 Nov 2016, at 20:21, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hi Lou,
I was aware of the email you mention, and also the Committees page,
but still fail to see the procedure and how the selection of the
candidates was done in a way that allows the community to validate the
IAOC decision, or even appeal it.
I will still think that the right way is to accommodate for more seats
at the IAOC, as the workload can be better measured after 10 years
than when it was designed.
Every time I try to find the minutes of the IAOC are too short, and if
published too late and quite incomplete. I can’t see the
qualifications of the volunteers of each committee in which the
decision was based. So is that transparent?
Regards,
Jordi
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De: ietf <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> en nombre de Lou Berger
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Fecha: jueves, 17 de noviembre de 2016, 5:55
Para: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com>, Brian E Carpenter
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>, <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
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Asunto: Re: [IAOC] question to the IAOC: new committee members
For reference:
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg15684.html
Which also points to https://iaoc.ietf.org/committees.html
In looking at both, the only thing not completely spelled out is
something like:
- ... Candidates are appointed based on the information they
provide, and input received from the existing committee membership
and
chairs. Appointment is finalized once the candidate confirm their
willingness to serve and execute any required non-disclosure.
Updated
(and current) committee membership is then published to the
community.
Lou
On 11/17/2016 4:38 AM, Scott O. Bradner wrote:
> there was also a public call for volunteers (which is how we got
the names)
>
> Scott
>
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Brian E Carpenter
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
>>
>> Jordi,
>>
>> It's very common for committees to appoint sub-committees,
within their
>> range of responsibilities, and for sub-committees to coopt
experts.
>>
>> I am not in the least shocked by this; in fact given the
expansion of
>> the IASA's workload over the last 10 years it seems entirely
normal
>> to me. I don't think anything has been hidden, and of course
the IAOC
>> as a whole remains responsible for the work of IASA
subcommittees,
>> according to section 3.2 of RFC4071. Specifically "The IAOC's
mission
>> is not to be engaged in the day-to-day administrative work of
the IASA,
>> but rather to provide appropriate direction, oversight, and
approval."
>>
>> Regards
>> Brian
>>
>> On 16/11/2016 23:38, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>> All the IETF positions have rules to be selected, nomcom,
etc., and there is a great transparency on the process.
>>>
>>> However today we discovered that new members have been
selected for IAOC committees.
>>>
>>> What have been the rules/process for that?
>>>
>>> One of the questions that have been discussed several times is
the lack of transparency from the IAOC, and clearly here we have a new
demonstration of that.
>>>
>>> I hope there is a clear statement from IAOC explaining the
process.
>>>
>>> If that not happens, what is the process to appeal that
decision, so I can follow it?
>>>
>>> We as a community, in my opinion, can’t keep going with this
lack of transparency.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jordi
>>>
>>>
>>>
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